Re: Just for discussion.

[ABLE1 <somewhere@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 7/21/2020 8:58 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 7/21/2020 5:48 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>> On 7/21/2020 6:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 7/21/2020 2:31 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>> On 7/21/2020 4:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>> On 7/21/2020 12:35 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 3:07 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 11:20 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 2:10 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 9:01 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 11:18 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 4:06 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 12:12 PM, RTS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 7:19 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2020 12:51 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 1:20:58 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all, no matter how few!!  :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I received a call from a customer that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning a police officer showed up and asked if there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The office manager said; "No, I just got here at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office 20 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago.  The officer said; "County Control received a call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number here with no one on the other end when answered."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turns out the number that called 911 was their Fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number. I was called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to investigate what may have happened.  The Fax number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is also used for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Line #2 to the Fire Panel.  The line used is a POTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an outside Demarc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After it was determined that it was the Fax the Office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manager turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I arrived I checked the line and all was as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be. Only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two devices connected to the line, Fax and Fire Panel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the line to my cell to verify the number.  I checked the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demarc and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all looked and worked as it should.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I connected my Butt Set at the Fax Machine and put on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker. Turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on and nothing.  Then sent a Fax to my office, Ok.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I called the County Control Center and talked to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supervisor who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verified just one call at 7:51am.  He had their Tech Guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later.  Basically we determined it to be an unsolved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mystery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although I did express a theory that would fit the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===============================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A teenage snot that just wanted to have fun took a old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone and opened up the Demarc box and plugged into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port.  Dialed 911 and after the first ring hung up. Closed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box and hid behind a bush snickering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tech Guy liked that 'maybe' but then told me a true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tomato.  Officer was dispatched a house with a active
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called 911.  Approached and asked the lady of the house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who was out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in her garden if everything was ok??  She said yes, why??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Officer explained and they went into the house to check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What was found was a tomato sitting on the window sill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far to long,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had started to leak juice.  The juice trail went down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wall and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto the phone sitting below.  Juice got into the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and shorted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the 9 & 1 on the DTMF pad and made the call.  WOW!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomato and phone were placed in the trash bin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, that is the start of the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone care to contribute??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One question leading to one very remote possibility is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the CS telephone number have nines and or ones in it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another question leading to another remote possibility is"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking that if it's a DTMF line that it probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has rotary dial capability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Land lines are becoming more and more of a problem as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telcos ignore them and as they try to switch everyone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiber or cellular.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe an intermittent connection (?) coincedently and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately dialed 911. Any crackling or static on the line?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And ya know?  I've always had this bad feeling about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tomatoes. Ya know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something about them -------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But celery on the other hand -------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not hear any crackling or static on the line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, then again I am on the deaf side of things with high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing loss.  However, it is something I should check with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ear sometime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did ask the question about the back numbers to 911.  Was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there were at least 10 or so that would get there.  Was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not told
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they were.  Either way with just a Fax and the Fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to the line it does seem a bit odd for a 3 digit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 digit number to be dialed in some way to get through.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomato or no tomato.  ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd blame the local telco,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had one here which cross connected over a hundred lines
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different towns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talk about old style party lines......
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seemed that the 2 towns were serviced by the same telco
>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> house..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> An in-house cable upgrade was the cause,  they had cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines when changing out the old cable and the tech "forgot"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old cable from the ckts..  (or so they said)    LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, good point Rocky,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been in buildings that have had phone company punch
>>>>>>>>>>>> down blocks
>>>>>>>>>>>> with Teclo lines there that were for another building.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers were
>>>>>>>>>>>> totally unrelated to the in house business.  Telco just used
>>>>>>>>>>>> it as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> splice block for the area.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been in a lot of businesses like that.  Where the entire
>>>>>>>>>>> cable down an alley is brought into every building on that
>>>>>>>>>>> street.  Its annoying as hell, but it does allow for easier
>>>>>>>>>>> redistribution of resources as businesses change.  It also
>>>>>>>>>>> allows for savy people to eavesdrop on conversations and/or
>>>>>>>>>>> steal service with little effort. I don't recall the details,
>>>>>>>>>>> but some couple decades ago there was a federal regulation
>>>>>>>>>>> change that phone companies had to make it easier for fed to
>>>>>>>>>>> execute wiretaps.  I don't recall all the details, but that
>>>>>>>>>>> was around the same time I stared seeing a lot of 50 and 100
>>>>>>>>>>> pair cables looped into new buildings and new plant
>>>>>>>>>>> improvements projects. I always thought the two were
>>>>>>>>>>> connected. With the newer digital CO switches I always
>>>>>>>>>>> wondered why they just didn't have a data link into the COs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Some rural exchanges still had mechanical switches at the
>>>>>>>>>>> time though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the extra Tidd Bits, I just knew you would contribute
>>>>>>>>>> some good stuff!!  It would seem that we ALL have seen the
>>>>>>>>>> loop holes.
>>>>>>>>>> I had a day "waaaaay back" that I was out in the country and
>>>>>>>>>> no payphones around and I needed to make a phone call.  I was
>>>>>>>>>> soooooo
>>>>>>>>>> tempted to pop open Demarc on the nearest house, hook up my
>>>>>>>>>> Butt Set and make the call.  BUT, I controlled myself!!!!  I
>>>>>>>>>> am sure I wasn't the
>>>>>>>>>> first to have the thought.  I am sure it has happened.....
>>>>>>>>>> somewhere!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It doesn't help of course that you can buy a butt set at Home
>>>>>>>>> Depot or Lowes these days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Absolute agreement!!!
>>>>>>>> Which adds to the scenario I posed being a possibility!!  :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is another more sinister if probably unlikely possibility.
>>>>>>> The cops wanted a look around and made it up.  How legit is the
>>>>>>> client?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember it is not against the law for them to lie to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL Really??  The cops will/can actually do that??
>>>>>> I see the makings of a new movie..................
>>>>>> I guess anything is possible...............
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTWÂ  This Fax (number) is in a local town borough office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep.  They can and will although usually you only hear about it in
>>>>> an interrogation.  Sometimes they will do it to try and get you to
>>>>> doubt your own memory.  "Oh, I've been with the department since
>>>>> 19xx, and no officer by that name ever existed.  Certainly not at
>>>>> the rank and position you claim."Â  No shit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob,
>>>> Hmmmmmmm sounds like you were on the wrong end of the stick.
>>>> And you remember it well!! Sorry to hear.  It is too bad that
>>>> kind of stuff has to happen.
>>>>
>>>> But, then again it is unlikely it will never change given the
>>>> condition of the human psychic.  We can wish for better, doesn't
>>>> mean we will ever get it.  Years ago I had purchased some furniture
>>>> from a guy I worked with.  Found out later that he was arrested for
>>>> property theft.
>>>>
>>>> I reported to State Police that I had two pieces and wanted to get them
>>>> out of my apartment.  Was asked by the officer on the case to come to
>>>> the police barracks to make the report.  Turns out that two detectives
>>>> started to imply that I was involved in the theft or I should have
>>>> known
>>>> the furniture was hot because of the low price that paid. It was about
>>>> time my button got pushed.  I gave them a piece of my mind, demanded
>>>> that they get the furniture removed from my apartment and walked out.
>>>> I ended up calling again in two weeks and told the detective that if
>>>> the
>>>> stuff was not picked up that day I was going to put it out in the
>>>> parking lot and they can come by at any time to get it.  He was there
>>>> within the hour.  Ended up as a witness for the prosecution and had to
>>>> sit outside the courtroom for 3 days counting bricks on the wall. '763'
>>>> He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge or something.  Huge PITA!!!
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I remember it well!!
>>>>
>>>> As well as a very few other police moments in my life.
>>>> Some I won, some not so much.  All minor issues.
>>>> As I understand the "statutes of limitations" have expired.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually I was first told about lying to people as a matter of course
>>> in class at ALETA.  Since then I've stood there and listened to COPs
>>> lie to people (and a couple times to me) while I just mentally shook
>>> my head.
>>>
>>> The worst part is if you lie to them during the course of their
>>> official duties you can be charged for it.  (never happened to me)
>>> Its best to remain silent.
>>>
>>> Just google (or bing if you prefer) Are The Police Allowed To Lie?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Let me be the first to say(type).
>>
>> This little discussion has certainly taken a bit of a twist.
>> Thanks Bob, for the 'Extra' input!!
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>
>
> Yeah, sorry about that Les.

Don't be sorry Bob!!  I'm not complaining.  Actually
I think it is great that we are all have a "discussion".
ASA has been so quite for so long!!!

Thanks for all the discussion from all.

Les