Re: Trying to wrap my head around it

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Nov 9, 6:08=A0pm, JoeRaisin <joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 11/8/2011 10:07 PM, Jim wrote:
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> > On Nov 8, 6:19 pm, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
> >> On 11/8/2011 7:10 AM, JoeRaisin wrote:
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> >>> On 11/7/2011 11:27 PM, Jim wrote:
> >>>> On Nov 4, 5:15 am, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
> >>>>> On 11/3/2011 9:53 PM, Jim wrote:
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> >>>>>> On Nov 3, 6:46 pm, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 11/3/2011 2:27 AM, Robosama wrote:
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> >>>>>>>> Like a W3-ADT smoke is really a 5808 rf smoke...dunno why they
> >>>>>>>> think we
> >>>>>>>> are incapable of figuring out this stuff.
>
> >>>>>>>> Still wish I had the ADT personality files for Compass though.
>
> >>>>>>>> :-)
>
> >>>>>>>> "JoeRaisin"<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:j7vq9g$csj$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>> On 10/22/2011 5:17 PM, mleuck wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 3:23 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> mleuck Wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 7:14 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Rojas Wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADT has their own variation of CID codes in these panels. =
It
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bug.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And who are they to redefine CID for proprietary panels? Wh=
at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a joke.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It would be a joke if they did it which they don't
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Not the last time I looked. I know they have "extended" codes=
 for
> >>>>>>>>>>> proprietary use on new-gen panels, but not on a SW/3000 over =
a
> >>>>>>>>>>> dozen
> >>>>>>>>>>> years old.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Extended codes yes but redefining old codes no, besides the 30=
00
> >>>>>>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>>>>> Vista-20P and one can go into the configurable zone section an=
d
> >>>>>>>>>> reprogram zones to send anything
>
> >>>>>>>>> This one wasn't programmed as a configurable zone - simple
> >>>>>>>>> entry/exit.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Mark, been meaning to ask you something but I'm not sure if I
> >>>>>>>>> remember
> >>>>>>>>> something right. I think I have seen posts in the past indicati=
ng
> >>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>> may have some knowledge of ADT systems.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I can't figure out what point type a motion detector should be =
on a
> >>>>>>>>> Focus panel. There is no "interior follower" or anything that s=
eems
> >>>>>>>>> like one. The ADT techs I have asked say they just make them ei=
ther
> >>>>>>>>> delayed or instant perimeter types based on where they are.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Why do they have to rename stuff?
>
> >>>>>>> Just installed a focus panel with a new zone added - "Movable Ins=
tant
> >>>>>>> PIR". Unless of course the motion covers an entry path, then you =
have
> >>>>>>> to make it "Movable Delay".
>
> >>>>>>> What was wrong with the good old, "Interior Follower"?-
>
> >>>>>> I can't imagine what that might indicate ....."movable instant PIR=
" ?
>
> >>>>>> Is it just a follower zone or something different?
>
> >>>>> Took me a while to figure it out.
>
> >>>>> If a zone responds the same way whether the system is armed or not,=
 it
> >>>>> is "Fixed". If it responds differently it is "movable".
>
> >>>>> A 24 hr point, even if it is just a trouble by day, is "fixed". A
> >>>>> regular burg zone that doesn't alarm when the system is disarmed, i=
s
> >>>>> "movable". For some reason adt did away with the follower zone on t=
he
> >>>>> Focus panel. Motions either have a delay, or they don't.
>
> >>>>> Quite a few of the adt techs say they program everything with a del=
ay.-
>
> >>>> I just came across a system a few months ago that had every zone a
> >>>> delay zone. I forget who's it was. Amazing what some of these
> >>>> installation companys do. But I've got to put some of the blame on t=
he
> >>>> end user too. I'f they'd only do their home work ... shit like that
> >>>> wouldn't happen.
>
> >>>> I think that it's very convenient that ADT uses the Focus panel. Whe=
n
> >>>> the disatisfied end user is asked what ADT did to them .... all they
> >>>> end user has to say is ...... Focus!
>
> >>> Heh-heh
>
> >>> What do they do to us subcontractors? ... Focus!
>
> >>> The Focus panel isn't all bad though. I do like the ATM style keypad,
> >>> lots convenient features from a service perspective. Some PITA issues
> >>> too - Quite a few things can only be done through hex programming.
>
> >>> I've been putting in quite a few Vista-128's for them recently. Usual=
ly
> >>> on hybrid systems but occasionally (like the job I'm on now) It's to
> >>> monitor a sprinkler riser. One smoke, one horn (external) and where i=
s
> >>> the pull station you might ask... If you did, you would be told that =
we
> >>> are going to wait for the AHJ to tell us to put it in - which most do=
n't.
>
> >> LOL - Fire Marshall was on site today to look at the sprinklers. =A0Th=
ree
> >> guesses as to what he is requiring to be added to the job? =A0First tw=
o
> >> guesses don't count...-
>
> > 1 A pull station
> > 2 A pull station
> > 3 =A0A heat detector!
>
> LOL - Boss says I don't pull a foot of wire until adt gives him a job
> number - and I haven't gotten one as of this afternoon.
>
> We keep getting screwed on those "get it done, paperwork to follow"
> deals. =A0Boss says, "No more free work..."-

Yeah I'm going through that right now with an electrician I met on a
job. He was working on another job and the builder asked him if he
could install and alarm. He couldn't so he asked me if I wanted to do
it to help him out. I said sure and he said he'd pay me and he'd bill
the builder. ( I figured he's going to make a few bucks on the
job ..... Ok with me since I quoted my regular price.)  I pre wired
the house in one day, took me 12 hours all by my self, worked till
9:00 PM at nite because they were insulating in the morning. It's been
4 weeks now and still no check.

You'd think that after all these years I'd be smart enough to not give
a damn and not try to help someone out.

However, I've left my self a couple off ways to access the house. I'll
keep an eye on the progress and if ultimately I don't get the check, I
can get in to cut all the wires off at all the openings and at the
panel.

Don't fuck with Jim.