Re: Trying to wrap my head around it

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Nov 8, 6:19=A0pm, JoeRaisin <joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 11/8/2011 7:10 AM, JoeRaisin wrote:
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> > On 11/7/2011 11:27 PM, Jim wrote:
> >> On Nov 4, 5:15 am, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> On 11/3/2011 9:53 PM, Jim wrote:
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> >>>> On Nov 3, 6:46 pm, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>> On 11/3/2011 2:27 AM, Robosama wrote:
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> >>>>>> Like a W3-ADT smoke is really a 5808 rf smoke...dunno why they
> >>>>>> think we
> >>>>>> are incapable of figuring out this stuff.
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> >>>>>> Still wish I had the ADT personality files for Compass though.
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> >>>>>> :-)
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> >>>>>> "JoeRaisin"<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:j7vq9g$csj$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>> On 10/22/2011 5:17 PM, mleuck wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 3:23 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> mleuck Wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 7:14 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim Rojas Wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> ADT has their own variation of CID codes in these panels. It
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a bug.
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> >>>>>>>>>>> And who are they to redefine CID for proprietary panels? What
> >>>>>>>>>>> a joke.
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> >>>>>>>>>> It would be a joke if they did it which they don't
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> >>>>>>>>> Not the last time I looked. I know they have "extended" codes f=
or
> >>>>>>>>> proprietary use on new-gen panels, but not on a SW/3000 over a
> >>>>>>>>> dozen
> >>>>>>>>> years old.
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> >>>>>>>> Extended codes yes but redefining old codes no, besides the 3000
> >>>>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>>> Vista-20P and one can go into the configurable zone section and
> >>>>>>>> reprogram zones to send anything
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> >>>>>>> This one wasn't programmed as a configurable zone - simple
> >>>>>>> entry/exit.
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> >>>>>>> Mark, been meaning to ask you something but I'm not sure if I
> >>>>>>> remember
> >>>>>>> something right. I think I have seen posts in the past indicating
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>> may have some knowledge of ADT systems.
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> >>>>>>> I can't figure out what point type a motion detector should be on=
 a
> >>>>>>> Focus panel. There is no "interior follower" or anything that see=
ms
> >>>>>>> like one. The ADT techs I have asked say they just make them eith=
er
> >>>>>>> delayed or instant perimeter types based on where they are.
>
> >>>>>>> Why do they have to rename stuff?
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> >>>>> Just installed a focus panel with a new zone added - "Movable Insta=
nt
> >>>>> PIR". Unless of course the motion covers an entry path, then you ha=
ve
> >>>>> to make it "Movable Delay".
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> >>>>> What was wrong with the good old, "Interior Follower"?-
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> >>>> I can't imagine what that might indicate ....."movable instant PIR" =
?
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> >>>> Is it just a follower zone or something different?
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> >>> Took me a while to figure it out.
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> >>> If a zone responds the same way whether the system is armed or not, i=
t
> >>> is "Fixed". If it responds differently it is "movable".
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> >>> A 24 hr point, even if it is just a trouble by day, is "fixed". A
> >>> regular burg zone that doesn't alarm when the system is disarmed, is
> >>> "movable". For some reason adt did away with the follower zone on the
> >>> Focus panel. Motions either have a delay, or they don't.
>
> >>> Quite a few of the adt techs say they program everything with a delay=
.-
>
> >> I just came across a system a few months ago that had every zone a
> >> delay zone. I forget who's it was. Amazing what some of these
> >> installation companys do. But I've got to put some of the blame on the
> >> end user too. I'f they'd only do their home work ... shit like that
> >> wouldn't happen.
>
> >> I think that it's very convenient that ADT uses the Focus panel. When
> >> the disatisfied end user is asked what ADT did to them .... all they
> >> end user has to say is ...... Focus!
>
> > Heh-heh
>
> > What do they do to us subcontractors? ... Focus!
>
> > The Focus panel isn't all bad though. I do like the ATM style keypad,
> > lots convenient features from a service perspective. Some PITA issues
> > too - Quite a few things can only be done through hex programming.
>
> > I've been putting in quite a few Vista-128's for them recently. Usually
> > on hybrid systems but occasionally (like the job I'm on now) It's to
> > monitor a sprinkler riser. One smoke, one horn (external) and where is
> > the pull station you might ask... If you did, you would be told that we
> > are going to wait for the AHJ to tell us to put it in - which most don'=
t.
>
> LOL - Fire Marshall was on site today to look at the sprinklers. =A0Three
> guesses as to what he is requiring to be added to the job? =A0First two
> guesses don't count...-

1 A pull station
2 A pull station
3  A heat detector!