Re: Trying to wrap my head around it

[JoeRaisin <joeraisin2001@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 11/8/2011 7:10 AM, JoeRaisin wrote:
> On 11/7/2011 11:27 PM, Jim wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 5:15 am, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2011 9:53 PM, Jim wrote:
>>>
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>>>> On Nov 3, 6:46 pm, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/3/2011 2:27 AM, Robosama wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Like a W3-ADT smoke is really a 5808 rf smoke...dunno why they
>>>>>> think we
>>>>>> are incapable of figuring out this stuff.
>>>
>>>>>> Still wish I had the ADT personality files for Compass though.
>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>>>> "JoeRaisin"<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:j7vq9g$csj$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> On 10/22/2011 5:17 PM, mleuck wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 3:23 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> mleuck Wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 7:14 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Rojas Wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ADT has their own variation of CID codes in these panels. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>>> a bug.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And who are they to redefine CID for proprietary panels? What
>>>>>>>>>>> a joke.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would be a joke if they did it which they don't
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not the last time I looked. I know they have "extended" codes for
>>>>>>>>> proprietary use on new-gen panels, but not on a SW/3000 over a
>>>>>>>>> dozen
>>>>>>>>> years old.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Extended codes yes but redefining old codes no, besides the 3000
>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>> Vista-20P and one can go into the configurable zone section and
>>>>>>>> reprogram zones to send anything
>>>
>>>>>>> This one wasn't programmed as a configurable zone - simple
>>>>>>> entry/exit.
>>>
>>>>>>> Mark, been meaning to ask you something but I'm not sure if I
>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>> something right. I think I have seen posts in the past indicating
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> may have some knowledge of ADT systems.
>>>
>>>>>>> I can't figure out what point type a motion detector should be on a
>>>>>>> Focus panel. There is no "interior follower" or anything that seems
>>>>>>> like one. The ADT techs I have asked say they just make them either
>>>>>>> delayed or instant perimeter types based on where they are.
>>>
>>>>>>> Why do they have to rename stuff?
>>>
>>>>> Just installed a focus panel with a new zone added - "Movable Instant
>>>>> PIR". Unless of course the motion covers an entry path, then you have
>>>>> to make it "Movable Delay".
>>>
>>>>> What was wrong with the good old, "Interior Follower"?-
>>>
>>>> I can't imagine what that might indicate ....."movable instant PIR" ?
>>>
>>>> Is it just a follower zone or something different?
>>>
>>> Took me a while to figure it out.
>>>
>>> If a zone responds the same way whether the system is armed or not, it
>>> is "Fixed". If it responds differently it is "movable".
>>>
>>> A 24 hr point, even if it is just a trouble by day, is "fixed". A
>>> regular burg zone that doesn't alarm when the system is disarmed, is
>>> "movable". For some reason adt did away with the follower zone on the
>>> Focus panel. Motions either have a delay, or they don't.
>>>
>>> Quite a few of the adt techs say they program everything with a delay.-
>>
>> I just came across a system a few months ago that had every zone a
>> delay zone. I forget who's it was. Amazing what some of these
>> installation companys do. But I've got to put some of the blame on the
>> end user too. I'f they'd only do their home work ... shit like that
>> wouldn't happen.
>>
>> I think that it's very convenient that ADT uses the Focus panel. When
>> the disatisfied end user is asked what ADT did to them .... all they
>> end user has to say is ...... Focus!
>
> Heh-heh
>
> What do they do to us subcontractors? ... Focus!
>
>
> The Focus panel isn't all bad though. I do like the ATM style keypad,
> lots convenient features from a service perspective. Some PITA issues
> too - Quite a few things can only be done through hex programming.
>
> I've been putting in quite a few Vista-128's for them recently. Usually
> on hybrid systems but occasionally (like the job I'm on now) It's to
> monitor a sprinkler riser. One smoke, one horn (external) and where is
> the pull station you might ask... If you did, you would be told that we
> are going to wait for the AHJ to tell us to put it in - which most don't.

LOL - Fire Marshall was on site today to look at the sprinklers.  Three
guesses as to what he is requiring to be added to the job?  First two
guesses don't count...