Re: Trying to wrap my head around it

[JoeRaisin <joeraisin2001@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 11/7/2011 11:27 PM, Jim wrote:
> On Nov 4, 5:15 am, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>> On 11/3/2011 9:53 PM, Jim wrote:
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>>> On Nov 3, 6:46 pm, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx>    wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2011 2:27 AM, Robosama wrote:
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>>>>> Like a W3-ADT smoke is really a 5808 rf smoke...dunno why they think we
>>>>> are incapable of figuring out this stuff.
>>
>>>>> Still wish I had the ADT personality files for Compass though.
>>
>>>>> :-)
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>>>>> "JoeRaisin"<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx>    wrote in message
>>>>> news:j7vq9g$csj$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> On 10/22/2011 5:17 PM, mleuck wrote:
>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 3:23 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx>    wrote:
>>>>>>>> mleuck Wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 7:14 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Rojas Wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> ADT has their own variation of CID codes in these panels. It
>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>> a bug.
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>>>>>>>>>> And who are they to redefine CID for proprietary panels? What a joke.
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>>>>>>>>> It would be a joke if they did it which they don't
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>>>>>>>> Not the last time I looked. I know they have "extended" codes for
>>>>>>>> proprietary use on new-gen panels, but not on a SW/3000 over a dozen
>>>>>>>> years old.
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>>>>>>> Extended codes yes but redefining old codes no, besides the 3000 is a
>>>>>>> Vista-20P and one can go into the configurable zone section and
>>>>>>> reprogram zones to send anything
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>>>>>> This one wasn't programmed as a configurable zone - simple entry/exit.
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>>>>>> Mark, been meaning to ask you something but I'm not sure if I remember
>>>>>> something right. I think I have seen posts in the past indicating you
>>>>>> may have some knowledge of ADT systems.
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>>>>>> I can't figure out what point type a motion detector should be on a
>>>>>> Focus panel. There is no "interior follower" or anything that seems
>>>>>> like one. The ADT techs I have asked say they just make them either
>>>>>> delayed or instant perimeter types based on where they are.
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>>>>>> Why do they have to rename stuff?
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>>>> Just installed a focus panel with a new zone added - "Movable Instant
>>>> PIR".  Unless of course the motion covers an entry path, then you have
>>>> to make it "Movable Delay".
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>>>> What was wrong with the good old, "Interior Follower"?-
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>>> I can't imagine what that might indicate ....."movable instant PIR" ?
>>
>>> Is it just a follower zone or something different?
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>> Took me a while to figure it out.
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>> If a zone responds the same way whether the system is armed or not, it
>> is "Fixed".  If it responds differently it is "movable".
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>> A 24 hr point, even if it is just a trouble by day, is "fixed". A
>> regular burg zone that doesn't alarm when the system is disarmed, is
>> "movable".  For some reason adt did away with the follower zone on the
>> Focus panel.  Motions either have a delay, or they don't.
>>
>> Quite a few of the adt techs say they program everything with a delay.-
>
> I just came across a system a few months ago that had every zone a
> delay zone. I forget who's it was. Amazing what some of these
> installation companys do. But I've got to put some of the blame on the
> end user too. I'f they'd only do their home work ... shit like that
> wouldn't happen.
>
> I think that it's very convenient that ADT uses the Focus panel. When
> the disatisfied end user is asked what ADT did to them .... all they
> end user has to say is  ...... Focus!

Heh-heh

What do they do to us subcontractors? ... Focus!


The Focus panel isn't all bad though.  I do like the ATM style keypad,
lots convenient features from a service perspective.  Some PITA issues
too - Quite a few things can only be done through hex programming.

I've been putting in quite a few Vista-128's for them recently.  Usually
on hybrid systems but occasionally (like the job I'm on now) It's to
monitor a sprinkler riser.  One smoke, one horn (external) and where is
the pull station you might ask...  If you did, you would be told that we
are going to wait for the AHJ to tell us to put it in - which most don't.

Dang!  I started this post all laughy and now I'm gettin' disillusioned
again.