Re: Trying to wrap my head around it

[JoeRaisin <joeraisin2001@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 11/8/2011 10:07 PM, Jim wrote:
> On Nov 8, 6:19 pm, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>> On 11/8/2011 7:10 AM, JoeRaisin wrote:
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>>> On 11/7/2011 11:27 PM, Jim wrote:
>>>> On Nov 4, 5:15 am, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>>> On 11/3/2011 9:53 PM, Jim wrote:
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>>>>>> On Nov 3, 6:46 pm, JoeRaisin<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/3/2011 2:27 AM, Robosama wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Like a W3-ADT smoke is really a 5808 rf smoke...dunno why they
>>>>>>>> think we
>>>>>>>> are incapable of figuring out this stuff.
>>
>>>>>>>> Still wish I had the ADT personality files for Compass though.
>>
>>>>>>>> :-)
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>>>>>>>> "JoeRaisin"<joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:j7vq9g$csj$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/2011 5:17 PM, mleuck wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 3:23 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> mleuck Wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 7:14 am, G. Morgan<G_Mor...@xxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Rojas Wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADT has their own variation of CID codes in these panels. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bug.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> And who are they to redefine CID for proprietary panels? What
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a joke.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be a joke if they did it which they don't
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>>>>>>>>>>> Not the last time I looked. I know they have "extended" codes for
>>>>>>>>>>> proprietary use on new-gen panels, but not on a SW/3000 over a
>>>>>>>>>>> dozen
>>>>>>>>>>> years old.
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>>>>>>>>>> Extended codes yes but redefining old codes no, besides the 3000
>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>> Vista-20P and one can go into the configurable zone section and
>>>>>>>>>> reprogram zones to send anything
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>>>>>>>>> This one wasn't programmed as a configurable zone - simple
>>>>>>>>> entry/exit.
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>>>>>>>>> Mark, been meaning to ask you something but I'm not sure if I
>>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>>> something right. I think I have seen posts in the past indicating
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> may have some knowledge of ADT systems.
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>>>>>>>>> I can't figure out what point type a motion detector should be on a
>>>>>>>>> Focus panel. There is no "interior follower" or anything that seems
>>>>>>>>> like one. The ADT techs I have asked say they just make them either
>>>>>>>>> delayed or instant perimeter types based on where they are.
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>>>>>>>>> Why do they have to rename stuff?
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>>>>>>> Just installed a focus panel with a new zone added - "Movable Instant
>>>>>>> PIR". Unless of course the motion covers an entry path, then you have
>>>>>>> to make it "Movable Delay".
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>>>>>>> What was wrong with the good old, "Interior Follower"?-
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>>>>>> I can't imagine what that might indicate ....."movable instant PIR" ?
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>>>>>> Is it just a follower zone or something different?
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>>>>> Took me a while to figure it out.
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>>>>> If a zone responds the same way whether the system is armed or not, it
>>>>> is "Fixed". If it responds differently it is "movable".
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>>>>> A 24 hr point, even if it is just a trouble by day, is "fixed". A
>>>>> regular burg zone that doesn't alarm when the system is disarmed, is
>>>>> "movable". For some reason adt did away with the follower zone on the
>>>>> Focus panel. Motions either have a delay, or they don't.
>>
>>>>> Quite a few of the adt techs say they program everything with a delay.-
>>
>>>> I just came across a system a few months ago that had every zone a
>>>> delay zone. I forget who's it was. Amazing what some of these
>>>> installation companys do. But I've got to put some of the blame on the
>>>> end user too. I'f they'd only do their home work ... shit like that
>>>> wouldn't happen.
>>
>>>> I think that it's very convenient that ADT uses the Focus panel. When
>>>> the disatisfied end user is asked what ADT did to them .... all they
>>>> end user has to say is ...... Focus!
>>
>>> Heh-heh
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>>> What do they do to us subcontractors? ... Focus!
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>>> The Focus panel isn't all bad though. I do like the ATM style keypad,
>>> lots convenient features from a service perspective. Some PITA issues
>>> too - Quite a few things can only be done through hex programming.
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>>> I've been putting in quite a few Vista-128's for them recently. Usually
>>> on hybrid systems but occasionally (like the job I'm on now) It's to
>>> monitor a sprinkler riser. One smoke, one horn (external) and where is
>>> the pull station you might ask... If you did, you would be told that we
>>> are going to wait for the AHJ to tell us to put it in - which most don't.
>>
>> LOL - Fire Marshall was on site today to look at the sprinklers.  Three
>> guesses as to what he is requiring to be added to the job?  First two
>> guesses don't count...-
>
> 1 A pull station
> 2 A pull station
> 3  A heat detector!

LOL - Boss says I don't pull a foot of wire until adt gives him a job
number - and I haven't gotten one as of this afternoon.

We keep getting screwed on those "get it done, paperwork to follow"
deals.  Boss says, "No more free work..."