Re: another APX oops moment

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sep 9, 12:10=A0pm, "Bob La Londe" <onebike...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Sep 8, 7:43 pm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >> I think so too re. manuals). But in defense, I think that the manuals
> >> are in response to all the ...ummm programing challenged installers
> >> that can't fathom the intricacies of all the options. I think that
> >> where all of this controversy lies is in the fact that the Napco
> >> panels DO offer a myriad of programing options as compared to most
> >> other panels .....
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> > Not really, I'd say a GE NX-8E compares in features to a 9600/255 and
> > it comes with 1 manual. The multiple manuals on the Napco is because
> > programming is quite a bit different depending on which keypad you are
> > using which is part of the problem.
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> > The problem with Napco is that those programming options are spread
> > all over the place which requires the manuals. Almost everyone else
> > has most of these options in easier to use menus. If they'd fix that
> > it would be a vast improvement
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> >> I don't know what the "Advent" compares to in the Napco line and I'd
> >> guess that on any panel you'd compare, my list of options provided to
> >> the client would be longer than yours.
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> > The Advent is GE's top of the line system, roughly compares to the
> > X255
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> > I could, if necessary, program
> >> everything up to and including a 1632 by hand for a basic no frills
> >> install and occasioally make changes via kepad when required. But
> >> you're right, there are so many options on the Napco panels that I
> >> can't remember them all
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> > It's not an issue of how many options are available it's how they are
> > presented to the installer, when you have a decent programming
> > interface you really don't need the manual for much of anything.
> > Almost everyone else has moved to a more menu-oriented interface,
> > Napco only uses that with the quick-start program section.
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> >> And ..... the other thing is ........... they're built like a rock
> >> with "bad out of the box" almost non existant over decades.
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> > Which is surprising considering that their board design and circuitry
> > layout is way behind the times and expensive to manufacture, likely
> > one of the reasons they moved offshore before everyone else. Compare a
> > P3200/9600 board to everyone else and you'll see what I'm talking
> > about, all those resistors, caps and diodes cost money to hand solder
> > and provide a potential point of breakage, everyone else has moved to
> > much better integration.
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> Nothing much works better as a power filter than a big old capacitor thou=
gh.

Those big caps are about the only other component besides IC chips
left on most boards, looking at a DSC board right now and everything's
been reduced down to just a few major parts.