Re: another APX oops moment

["Bob La Londe" <onebikenut@xxxxxxxxx>]

"mleuck" <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Sep 8, 7:43 pm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> I think so too re. manuals). But in defense, I think that the manuals
>> are in response to all the ...ummm programing challenged installers
>> that can't fathom the intricacies of all the options. I think that
>> where all of this controversy lies is in the fact that the Napco
>> panels DO offer a myriad of programing options as compared to most
>> other panels .....
>
> Not really, I'd say a GE NX-8E compares in features to a 9600/255 and
> it comes with 1 manual. The multiple manuals on the Napco is because
> programming is quite a bit different depending on which keypad you are
> using which is part of the problem.
>
> The problem with Napco is that those programming options are spread
> all over the place which requires the manuals. Almost everyone else
> has most of these options in easier to use menus. If they'd fix that
> it would be a vast improvement
>
>> I don't know what the "Advent" compares to in the Napco line and I'd
>> guess that on any panel you'd compare, my list of options provided to
>> the client would be longer than yours.
>
> The Advent is GE's top of the line system, roughly compares to the
> X255
>
>
> I could, if necessary, program
>> everything up to and including a 1632 by hand for a basic no frills
>> install and occasioally make changes via kepad when required. But
>> you're right, there are so many options on the Napco panels that I
>> can't remember them all
>
> It's not an issue of how many options are available it's how they are
> presented to the installer, when you have a decent programming
> interface you really don't need the manual for much of anything.
> Almost everyone else has moved to a more menu-oriented interface,
> Napco only uses that with the quick-start program section.
>
>> And ..... the other thing is ........... they're built like a rock
>> with "bad out of the box" almost non existant over decades.
>
> Which is surprising considering that their board design and circuitry
> layout is way behind the times and expensive to manufacture, likely
> one of the reasons they moved offshore before everyone else. Compare a
> P3200/9600 board to everyone else and you'll see what I'm talking
> about, all those resistors, caps and diodes cost money to hand solder
> and provide a potential point of breakage, everyone else has moved to
> much better integration.

Nothing much works better as a power filter than a big old capacitor though.