Re: New alarm licensing for Province of Quebec

[tourman <robercampbell@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Oct 21, 8:07=A0am, "Petem" <petem...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >On Oct 20, 11:55 pm, "Petem" <petem...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> "tourman" <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> a =E9crit dans le message de group=
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> > >> Well, it seems the restrictive Quebec unions are finally getting the=
ir
> > > >way. Effective next year, any company installing alarms in Quebec wi=
ll
> > > >need a provincial license, which costs $1400 annually for the compan=
y,
> > > >plus $102 for each installer working to install. It will also involv=
e
> > > >a criminal background for all employees of the company. Fines for
> > > >companies caught operating without a license will be in the region o=
f
> > > >$5000 an offence !!
>
> > > >A recent publication distributed to all wholesalers describes it as =
a
> > > >government attempt to move alarm installation from the domain of a
> > > >trade to that of a more professional level of activity. The real tru=
th
> > > >is it's an attempt to cozy up to Quebec unions who are notorious for
> > > >their wish to keep Ontario companies out of fair competition in
> > > >Quebec, and of course, it's another tax on on the small and big
> > > >businesses working there (and which will work it's way down to the e=
nd
> > > >price paid by the consumer). It also reflects the fact that there ar=
e
> > > >a lot of scumbags in the business there (as well as in the
> > > >locksmithing trade). But regardless of the worth of background check=
s,
> > > >this is a clear case of killing a fly with a shotgun !!!
>
> > > >Frankly, I'm so damn tired of Quebec and all their special privilege=
s
> > > >within Canada, along with their rightly earned place of being the mo=
st
> > > >corrupt province in Canada !! I have dozens of customers across the
> > > >river from Ottawa in Quebec, and I can tell you I won't stop servici=
ng
> > > >these accounts because of this bullshit !!
>
> > >Fine with me.. ;-) I am not really happy with that legislation also, a=
nd
> > >by
> > >the way it was pass on 2006 and it took effect last summer..
>
> > >It was pass cause some american government asked that there would be m=
ore
> > >security in Canada.. dont worry it will come to Ontario soon..
> > RHC: No it was passed because of pressure from trade unions.
>
> Bob it all started in 2000 with the Consultative committee on security. t=
ake
> a look at this cdoc and you will see that the union were there, but just
> barely..
>
> http://www.securitepublique.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/Documents/police/sec...
>
> I will copy who was there for the alarm section of the comity..
>
> ANNEXE 3
> MEMBRES DU SOUS-COMIT=C9 =AB ALARME ET SERRURERIE =BB
> M. Jean-Fran=E7ois BouchardDirection des affaires polici=E8res et de la
> pr=E9vention de la
> criminalit=E9, minist=E8re de la S=E9curit=E9 publique.
> M. Georges Belisle Emploi-Qu=E9bec.
> M. R=E9jean B=E9rub=E9 A.D.T. S=E9curit=E9 Multi-Nat, Canada.
> M. Normand Bouchard Fraternit=E9 internationale des ouvriers en
> =E9lectricit=E9.
> M. Robert Branchaud CANASA.
> M. Pierre Dussault Ma=EEtres serruriers du Qu=E9bec.
> M. Robert Dutil Service de protection Microtec.
> M. Michel Ferland S=FBret=E9 du Qu=E9bec.
> Mme Louise Marcoux CANASA.
> M. Lionel Perron Les Laboratoires des assureurs du Canada.
> M. R=E9jean Ratth=E9 Service de pr=E9vention Microtec.
> M. Robert Robillard Groupe S=E9curit=E9 Robillard inc.
> M. Jean-Paul Roberge Protectron inc.
>
> In all those people only one was from a Union.. all the rest.. alarm comp=
any
> or alarm association ....
>
> So are you telling me that one men from one union is able to hammer down =
his
> way of thinking on all those poeple.. Wake up and smell the cofee Bob.. a=
nd
> stop playing cartoon in your head..
>
> > =A0If the
> > American government wanted more security in Canada, anything that
> > happened would happen at the border crossings, not just within the
> > Province of Quebec.
>
> then after the comity 911 came..
> it was followed by this:
>
> http://www.securitepublique.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/Documents/police/sec...
>
> I know its all in french..
>
> Thenn in 2006 the law, if there would not have been 911 nothing would hav=
we
> change here..
>
> > And no, I doubt such an expensive licensing scheme would every fly in
> > Ontario ! You work for a big company, so this affects you not in the
> > least.
>
> No Bob i dont work for a big company, I represent the best part of all al=
amr
> tech in Quebec as there union rep.
>
> > However, smaller companies would be hit hard by such excessive
> > charges (although some form of basic licensing probably wouldn't be a
> > bad idea). But you don't kill a fly with a hammer !!
>
> Thats BS Big company have central station, all the poeple working there n=
eed
> the same permit then the tech, and who do you think pay for this? the low
> salary worker or the big company?
> and then all the direct boss of thos people need the permit.. who pay for
> that? the company, big of small they are all hit. I was not for the
> legislation, but what can I dio. its there and we need to play by it.

RHC: Ok, thank you, I stand corrected - but that scenario is even
worse than I thought.!!  All the players in this contrived fiasco are
large alarm company conglomerates or representatives from CANASA who
are supposed to be working for the best interests of the alarm and
security industry !! How the hell can this legislation be to the best
interests of the whole industry of only the big companies can afford
it ?  It certainly is for the 15% of the market held by the large
companies but it doesn't do squat for the other 85% of the market held
by the mom and pop type organizations. In fact, I would suggest it has
a hidden motive to limit these types of businesses which take away
untold accounts from the expensive "big boys" !!

I have long suspected CANASA is unduly influenced by the ADT's and
Protectron's of the world and doesn't represent my interests. That is
why I have steadfastly refused to join this "old boys" club !!! The
unions were just smiling like sharks all the way to the bank, since
this also works in their best interests by keeping Ontario companies
out of Quebec.

Call me paranoid, but if it squawks like a duck, and shits like a
duck, then it probably is a duck !!