Re: New alarm licensing for Province of Quebec

["Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx>]

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>On Oct 20, 11:55 pm, "Petem" <petem...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> "tourman" <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
>> discussion :
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> >> Well, it seems the restrictive Quebec unions are finally getting their
> > >way. Effective next year, any company installing alarms in Quebec will
> > >need a provincial license, which costs $1400 annually for the company,
> > >plus $102 for each installer working to install. It will also involve
> > >a criminal background for all employees of the company. Fines for
> > >companies caught operating without a license will be in the region of
> > >$5000 an offence !!
>
> > >A recent publication distributed to all wholesalers describes it as a
> > >government attempt to move alarm installation from the domain of a
> > >trade to that of a more professional level of activity. The real truth
> > >is it's an attempt to cozy up to Quebec unions who are notorious for
> > >their wish to keep Ontario companies out of fair competition in
> > >Quebec, and of course, it's another tax on on the small and big
> > >businesses working there (and which will work it's way down to the end
> > >price paid by the consumer). It also reflects the fact that there are
> > >a lot of scumbags in the business there (as well as in the
> > >locksmithing trade). But regardless of the worth of background checks,
> > >this is a clear case of killing a fly with a shotgun !!!
>>
> > >Frankly, I'm so damn tired of Quebec and all their special privileges
> > >within Canada, along with their rightly earned place of being the most
> > >corrupt province in Canada !! I have dozens of customers across the
> > >river from Ottawa in Quebec, and I can tell you I won't stop servicing
> > >these accounts because of this bullshit !!
>>
> >Fine with me.. ;-) I am not really happy with that legislation also, and
> >by
> >the way it was pass on 2006 and it took effect last summer..
>>
> >It was pass cause some american government asked that there would be more
> >security in Canada.. dont worry it will come to Ontario soon..

> RHC: No it was passed because of pressure from trade unions.

Bob it all started in 2000 with the Consultative committee on security. take
a look at this cdoc and you will see that the union were there, but just
barely..

http://www.securitepublique.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/Documents/police/securite_privee/rapport_secprive.pdf

I will copy who was there for the alarm section of the comity..


ANNEXE 3
MEMBRES DU SOUS-COMITÉ « ALARME ET SERRURERIE »
M. Jean-François BouchardDirection des affaires policières et de la
prévention de la
criminalité, ministère de la Sécurité publique.
M. Georges Belisle Emploi-Québec.
M. Réjean Bérubé A.D.T. Sécurité Multi-Nat, Canada.
M. Normand Bouchard Fraternité internationale des ouvriers en
électricité.
M. Robert Branchaud CANASA.
M. Pierre Dussault Maîtres serruriers du Québec.
M. Robert Dutil Service de protection Microtec.
M. Michel Ferland Sûreté du Québec.
Mme Louise Marcoux CANASA.
M. Lionel Perron Les Laboratoires des assureurs du Canada.
M. Réjean Ratthé Service de prévention Microtec.
M. Robert Robillard Groupe Sécurité Robillard inc.
M. Jean-Paul Roberge Protectron inc.

In all those people only one was from a Union.. all the rest.. alarm company
or alarm association ....

So are you telling me that one men from one union is able to hammer down his
way of thinking on all those poeple.. Wake up and smell the cofee Bob.. and
stop playing cartoon in your head..



>  If the
> American government wanted more security in Canada, anything that
> happened would happen at the border crossings, not just within the
> Province of Quebec.

then after the comity 911 came..
it was followed by this:

http://www.securitepublique.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/Documents/police/securite_privee/livre_blanc_secprive_12-03.pdf

I know its all in french..

Thenn in 2006 the law, if there would not have been 911 nothing would havwe
change here..


> And no, I doubt such an expensive licensing scheme would every fly in
> Ontario ! You work for a big company, so this affects you not in the
> least.

No Bob i dont work for a big company, I represent the best part of all alamr
tech in Quebec as there union rep.

> However, smaller companies would be hit hard by such excessive
> charges (although some form of basic licensing probably wouldn't be a
> bad idea). But you don't kill a fly with a hammer !!

Thats BS Big company have central station, all the poeple working there need
the same permit then the tech, and who do you think pay for this? the low
salary worker or the big company?
and then all the direct boss of thos people need the permit.. who pay for
that? the company, big of small they are all hit. I was not for the
legislation, but what can I dio. its there and we need to play by it.