Re: Non mains system

["Roland Moore" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

>stop killing beautiful animals like deer,

These killers are also known as hunters. It is a sport too. The State
generates revenue it uses to protect habitat for the hunted animal and other
animals and plants benefit. Have you ever been to the US? Deer in this area
can reach plague proportions. You'd better learn how to kill deer with
something other than the bumper of your (wrecked) car.  I have killed deer
before, but never on purpose, and never with any weapon other than what I
was driving at the time. I wish there were more (legal) hunters and that
they were more effective in controlling the exploding populations of these
animals. I'd join the ranks of deer hunters if I liked the taste of venison.
As for Americans hunting in Africa I would suspect that would be a matter
for the local authorities in Africa to work out.
There is no timetable for giving up guns here in the US. As a practical
matter in the area I live in it is legal to have a gun in your home (without
a license), carry a gun with you in your car at all times (without a
license) and carry a gun concealed on your person nearly anytime or anywhere
(with a license). There has not been any increase in gun violence, but a
decrease in certain types of crime. There is no change in status of any
animal populations due soley to any gun policy changes.
The point I was making is that there are people that are alive today in your
country that have not been held to account for there actions at the time in
Kenya specifically. I my opinion they should be. All of the incidents you
site about Americans have have had much public and legal scrutiny.
And if we are talking about assholes in American versus British history, for
starters let me say thanks for invading and burning parts of our Capital
City, asshole.

"Paul O'Grady" <Paul-O@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:8Eduj.118932$3m6.39945@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Roland Moore wrote:
> > ">The American urge to kill everything"
> > Seems like you're a bit murky about any similar British urges.
> > So let me get this straight. You are using a weapon in a sport. And that
> > says nothing about you of course. Then considering the technical
> > improvements to the weapon you credit (or blame more likely) on the
> > "American urge to kill everything"? Well, I thought it was Holless
Wilbur
> > Allen's invention along with improvements from guys like Tom Jennings.
Allen
> > hunted deer with it, and was never reported to have an urge to "kill
> > everything". Now let's talk about some REAL killers.
> >  The British colonial power that founded the "commonwealth" certainly
had a
> > body count associated with it.
> >  Let's not talk about "ancient history" about the British. Let's talk
about
> > the last 50 years or so, in the same time frame, more or less, of the
> > compound bow improvements.
> > It might make you wonder about your statement about the "Americans
liking to
> > kill everything".
> >
> >  In excess of 50,000 people are reported to have been killed by British
> > security forces in Kenya since the 1950's.
> > -Horrific tortures and murders committed by white officials and local
> > soldiers under their command
> > -Castration and blinding for defying captors
> > -Fatal whipping
> > -Rape by British soldiers
> > -There were also tales of daily killings at a British-run slave labor
camp
> > called Embakasi
> > What areas of the British Commonwealth don't have similar types of
> > atrocities historically associated with it?
> > No doubt some of these same folks that did this in Kenya are alive today
> > living under the Union Jack!
> > So I see it's is a weapon that by itself that you wish to blame, and not
get
> > too troubled about the actual killers living among you.
> > So tell me just which ones of the more than 50,000 the British had
murdered
> > were felled with the that type of bow?
> >
> > (Note to Bass, the above atrocities are included in reports from the BBC
so
> > to your thinking it has to be true)
> >
>
> What a strange post. I think you've lost the plot my friend. My advice
> would be to go see a doctor immediately.
>
> The point I was making is that, if you take away the need for a more
> powerful weapon i.e. stop killing beautiful animals like deer, Elk, Bear
> etc, the traditional weapons are more than adequate to show the skill of
> the archer and not the weapon. I even watched one American prat shoot a
> Lion in Africa with a compound bow so he could video it & make some
> money. Or show it to friends & family which is worse. Of course the guy
> was up a tree on a platform and the Lion was lured there with dead meat
> but that doesn't matter does it?
>
> As far as atrocities to human kind goes, I'm not quite sure how the
> British got into this (we're talking about soldiers now, right?)but it's
> strange that you don't count like for like. For example, in the same
> time frame you don't mention, nuclear weapons, Hiroshima, Ngasaki,
> Vietnam, or Iraq. Take a look at the statistics for the Vietnam war.
> More tonnage of bombs than almost everything else combined before or
> since. In a war that nobody wanted except the politicians. Read any U.S.
> soldiers account of what happened to the women & children when they went
> through ANY native village, not just Cong. The atrocities didn't stop at
> foreigners either. On their return, American soldiers were spat on &
> worse by their own people because it was a bad war fought in a bad way.
> We won't even start on Iraq. Another war that nobody wanted except
> American politicians.
> Do you want to compare the American dead to the British for the same
> time frame? I don't think so.
>
> You don't even have the common sense to differentiate between citizens
> and soldiers. Very strange.
>
> You want to give me a timescale for when the American PEOPLE (not
> soldiers) will give up their guns? Again, I don't think so.
>
> Before I go, I'd just like to say that I am a well balanced person. I
> don't get into argument unless provoked. I actually like America very
> much and most of the American people. I just don't like the ones who
> think and talk with their arseholes. (note the proper way to spell it)