Re: Master password

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks.
"Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Nice response.
>
>
> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> | >When you're dead, you're dead.
> |
> | I can not parse that sentence, let alone that concept.
> |
> | >But I can say that if I had the opportunity, I might consider using my
> | >last breath to spit in his face.
> |
> | I saw that movie also. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Ricardo
> Montalbán
> | character's last words to William Shatner's Kirk. A little too over the
> top
> | for this place I am afraid. Not a big enough audience. It still has some
> | shock value to newcomers I suspect, but not much to those that have read
> | your other posts.
> |
> | >There's no magic or mystery about dying.
> |
> | Do tell? You've figured this all out? It is generous of you to keep it
> to
> | yourself. Just think of the scholars, poets, theologians, politicians,
> | physicians, and mystics that you would "put out of business" so to speak
> | with your special knowledge and understanding.
> |
> | > Deitys are created in the minds of men to releive them of taking the
> | > responsibilty for their own lives and deeds.
> |
> | That is a "chicken and egg" type question and answer because you don't
> | account for the origin and structure of that mind. Whether that mind was
> | created or evolved, the mechanism and purpose for the genesis of that
> nearly
> | universal concept of a deity formed in that mind is somehow missing in
> your
> | statement.
> |
> | > When I die, the world comes to an end. That's all that's important.
> I'm
> | > the most important person that ever existed and ever will. While I'm
> | > here, I take care of those that are important to me. When I'm gone
> | > they're on their own.
> |
> | You must be every life insurance salesman's worst nightmare. On the
> other
> | hand, by adopting that level of pathological narcissism you are a
> | psychiatrist's dream.
> |
> | >As a professor I had, once told me   ... "Don't eminitize the eschaton"
> | >( I dare you to look up the meaning of that quote!)
> |
> | Okay, I took the dare, and here it is.
> |
> | Eric Voegelin's 1952 book, The New Science of Politics
> | Young Americans for Freedom wore badges blazoned with the slogan "Don't
> | Immanentize the Eschaton"
> | eschaton = end of the world, end of time, climax of history
> | eschatological = any system of doctrines concerning last, or final,
> matters,
> | as death, the Judgment, the future state, etc.
> | eminitize = variant of (or misspelling) of Immanentize
> |      Immanentist = the belief that the Deity indwells and operates
> directly
> | within the universe or nature
> |
> | Immanentize means to make part of the here and now. Eschaton, like
> | eschatology,
> | relates to the branch of theology which deals with humanity's destiny.
> |
> | To immanentize something is to draw it in closely, to make it a part of
> one's
> | immediate, subjective consciousness and experience. The eschaton is our
> | ultimate destination, the final end toward which our lives are
> ordinated.
> | Affirming an insight that lies at the core of classical Greek philosophy
> as
> | well as Judaism and Christianity (the three streams of what Voegelin
> terms
> | "the Mediterranean tradition"), Voegelin views the yearning for
> | transcendence, the restlessness for a world better and higher than this
> | world, as a universal and empirically self-evident component of human
> | personhood, nothing less than a fundamental part of who we are.
> |
> | Consequently, to immanentize the eschaton is to commit a basic error in
> | self-understanding. It is to assume wrongly that human aspiration and
> | destiny are coterminous with the natural world. It is to assume wrongly
> that
> | metaphysical questions, which are life's core questions, either do not
> exist
> | at all, or can be rationally investigated only through the methods of
> | physics, which in practice tends to be another way of defining such
> | questions as unanswerable and therefore irrelevant. In sum, to
> immanentize
> | the eschaton is to assume wrongly that ultimate reality, of which God is
> the
> | final measure, is instead some form of this-world reality, of which man
> is
> | presumed to be the final measure.
> |
> | And this professor you quoted; you were his favorite student? Perhaps
> your
> | professor should have at least taught the correct spelling of
> Immanentize
> | (eminitize)? Or was he (or you) trying to be cryptic?
> |
> | I think you're trying to say you know something the rest of us don't, or
> | you've experienced something the rest of us have not. Please bring forth
> | your enlightenment like the living verdure mighty one, as your mind
> delivers
> | the living verdure, like circinate vernation in the fullness of time. We
> | wait, for we know your sagacity slays our inadequate bourgeois
> understanding
> | of all that has ever been, or all that will ever be. Truly you are the
> Alpha
> | and Omega! Archen te kai teleuten kai mesa ton onton apanton echon.
> |
> | No wait, you're just a bitter sad sack that loves spitting venomous
> words
> as
> | well as sophomoric bromides.
> |  .
> |
> |
> | "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | news:1166639207.778035.125890@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >
> | > Roland Moore wrote:
> | >> Everyone here including Bass will each get their turn at everlasting
> | >> peace
> | >> and quiet.
> | >> How it does, when it does and under what conditions it does come are
> the
> | >> only variables. I don't have any special knowledge of a hereafter,
> but
> | >> you
> | >> might want Bass to stick around for purely selfish reasons. You seem
> to
> | >> know
> | >> the negative side of Bass perhaps better than Bass himself does. If
> you
> | >> end
> | >> up in the same spot ultimately, do you want to give him that much of
> a
> | >> challenge, opportunity and head start to get a special welcome ready
> for
> | >> you? In my friend's recent passing he in his last moment's (in a
> coma)
> | >> sat
> | >> up and shouted  to someone (no one else in the room could see) "I am
> good
> | >> to
> | >> go". As you depart the planet you may see, as many other have
> reported
> | >> seeing, certain visions.  Perhaps it will be a light you vision,
> whether
> | >> heavenly in nature or perhaps more like a blast furnace door, either
> way
> | >> Bass could be there saying "I've been waiting for you!" And to your
> loved
> | >> ones still on earth your last words they hear you say would be "Bass?
> Is
> | >> that you?"
> | >>
> | >>
> | >
> | > When you're dead, you're dead.
> | >
> | > But I can say that if I had the opportunity, I might consider using my
> | > last breath to spit in his face.
> | >
> | > There's no magic or mystery about dying.
> | >
> | > Deitys are created in the minds of men to releive them of taking the
> | > responsibilty for their own lives and deeds.
> | >
> | > When I die, the world comes to an end. That's all that's important.