Re: Master password

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>When you're dead, you're dead.

I can not parse that sentence, let alone that concept.

>But I can say that if I had the opportunity, I might consider using my
>last breath to spit in his face.

I saw that movie also. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Ricardo Montalbán
character's last words to William Shatner's Kirk. A little too over the top
for this place I am afraid. Not a big enough audience. It still has some
shock value to newcomers I suspect, but not much to those that have read
your other posts.

>There's no magic or mystery about dying.

Do tell? You've figured this all out? It is generous of you to keep it to
yourself. Just think of the scholars, poets, theologians, politicians,
physicians, and mystics that you would "put out of business" so to speak
with your special knowledge and understanding.

> Deitys are created in the minds of men to releive them of taking the
> responsibilty for their own lives and deeds.

That is a "chicken and egg" type question and answer because you don't
account for the origin and structure of that mind. Whether that mind was
created or evolved, the mechanism and purpose for the genesis of that nearly
universal concept of a deity formed in that mind is somehow missing in your
statement.

> When I die, the world comes to an end. That's all that's important. I'm
> the most important person that ever existed and ever will. While I'm
> here, I take care of those that are important to me. When I'm gone
> they're on their own.

You must be every life insurance salesman's worst nightmare. On the other
hand, by adopting that level of pathological narcissism you are a
psychiatrist's dream.

>As a professor I had, once told me   ... "Don't eminitize the eschaton"
>( I dare you to look up the meaning of that quote!)

Okay, I took the dare, and here it is.

Eric Voegelin's 1952 book, The New Science of Politics
Young Americans for Freedom wore badges blazoned with the slogan "Don't
Immanentize the Eschaton"
eschaton = end of the world, end of time, climax of history
eschatological = any system of doctrines concerning last, or final, matters,
as death, the Judgment, the future state, etc.
eminitize = variant of (or misspelling) of Immanentize
      Immanentist = the belief that the Deity indwells and operates directly
within the universe or nature

Immanentize means to make part of the here and now. Eschaton, like
eschatology,
relates to the branch of theology which deals with humanity's destiny.

To immanentize something is to draw it in closely, to make it a part of one's
immediate, subjective consciousness and experience. The eschaton is our
ultimate destination, the final end toward which our lives are ordinated.
Affirming an insight that lies at the core of classical Greek philosophy as
well as Judaism and Christianity (the three streams of what Voegelin terms
"the Mediterranean tradition"), Voegelin views the yearning for
transcendence, the restlessness for a world better and higher than this
world, as a universal and empirically self-evident component of human
personhood, nothing less than a fundamental part of who we are.

Consequently, to immanentize the eschaton is to commit a basic error in
self-understanding. It is to assume wrongly that human aspiration and
destiny are coterminous with the natural world. It is to assume wrongly that
metaphysical questions, which are life's core questions, either do not exist
at all, or can be rationally investigated only through the methods of
physics, which in practice tends to be another way of defining such
questions as unanswerable and therefore irrelevant. In sum, to immanentize
the eschaton is to assume wrongly that ultimate reality, of which God is the
final measure, is instead some form of this-world reality, of which man is
presumed to be the final measure.

And this professor you quoted; you were his favorite student? Perhaps your
professor should have at least taught the correct spelling of Immanentize
(eminitize)? Or was he (or you) trying to be cryptic?

I think you're trying to say you know something the rest of us don't, or
you've experienced something the rest of us have not. Please bring forth
your enlightenment like the living verdure mighty one, as your mind delivers
the living verdure, like circinate vernation in the fullness of time. We
wait, for we know your sagacity slays our inadequate bourgeois understanding
of all that has ever been, or all that will ever be. Truly you are the Alpha
and Omega! Archen te kai teleuten kai mesa ton onton apanton echon.

No wait, you're just a bitter sad sack that loves spitting venomous words as
well as sophomoric bromides.
  .


"Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1166639207.778035.125890@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Roland Moore wrote:
>> Everyone here including Bass will each get their turn at everlasting
>> peace
>> and quiet.
>> How it does, when it does and under what conditions it does come are the
>> only variables. I don't have any special knowledge of a hereafter, but
>> you
>> might want Bass to stick around for purely selfish reasons. You seem to
>> know
>> the negative side of Bass perhaps better than Bass himself does. If you
>> end
>> up in the same spot ultimately, do you want to give him that much of a
>> challenge, opportunity and head start to get a special welcome ready for
>> you? In my friend's recent passing he in his last moment's (in a coma)
>> sat
>> up and shouted  to someone (no one else in the room could see) "I am good
>> to
>> go". As you depart the planet you may see, as many other have reported
>> seeing, certain visions.  Perhaps it will be a light you vision, whether
>> heavenly in nature or perhaps more like a blast furnace door, either way
>> Bass could be there saying "I've been waiting for you!" And to your loved
>> ones still on earth your last words they hear you say would be "Bass? Is
>> that you?"
>>
>>
>
> When you're dead, you're dead.
>
> But I can say that if I had the opportunity, I might consider using my
> last breath to spit in his face.
>
> There's no magic or mystery about dying.
>
> Deitys are created in the minds of men to releive them of taking the
> responsibilty for their own lives and deeds.
>
> When I die, the world comes to an end. That's all that's important. I'm
> the most important person that ever existed and ever will. While I'm
> here, I take care of those that are important to me. When I'm gone
> they're on their own.
>
> As a professor I had, once told me   ... "Don't eminitize the
> eschaton"
> ( I dare you to look up the meaning of that quote!)
>