Re: Master password

["Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Nice response.


"Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| >When you're dead, you're dead.
|
| I can not parse that sentence, let alone that concept.
|
| >But I can say that if I had the opportunity, I might consider using my
| >last breath to spit in his face.
|
| I saw that movie also. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Ricardo Montalbán
| character's last words to William Shatner's Kirk. A little too over the
top
| for this place I am afraid. Not a big enough audience. It still has some
| shock value to newcomers I suspect, but not much to those that have read
| your other posts.
|
| >There's no magic or mystery about dying.
|
| Do tell? You've figured this all out? It is generous of you to keep it to
| yourself. Just think of the scholars, poets, theologians, politicians,
| physicians, and mystics that you would "put out of business" so to speak
| with your special knowledge and understanding.
|
| > Deitys are created in the minds of men to releive them of taking the
| > responsibilty for their own lives and deeds.
|
| That is a "chicken and egg" type question and answer because you don't
| account for the origin and structure of that mind. Whether that mind was
| created or evolved, the mechanism and purpose for the genesis of that
nearly
| universal concept of a deity formed in that mind is somehow missing in
your
| statement.
|
| > When I die, the world comes to an end. That's all that's important. I'm
| > the most important person that ever existed and ever will. While I'm
| > here, I take care of those that are important to me. When I'm gone
| > they're on their own.
|
| You must be every life insurance salesman's worst nightmare. On the other
| hand, by adopting that level of pathological narcissism you are a
| psychiatrist's dream.
|
| >As a professor I had, once told me   ... "Don't eminitize the eschaton"
| >( I dare you to look up the meaning of that quote!)
|
| Okay, I took the dare, and here it is.
|
| Eric Voegelin's 1952 book, The New Science of Politics
| Young Americans for Freedom wore badges blazoned with the slogan "Don't
| Immanentize the Eschaton"
| eschaton = end of the world, end of time, climax of history
| eschatological = any system of doctrines concerning last, or final,
matters,
| as death, the Judgment, the future state, etc.
| eminitize = variant of (or misspelling) of Immanentize
|      Immanentist = the belief that the Deity indwells and operates
directly
| within the universe or nature
|
| Immanentize means to make part of the here and now. Eschaton, like
| eschatology,
| relates to the branch of theology which deals with humanity's destiny.
|
| To immanentize something is to draw it in closely, to make it a part of
one's
| immediate, subjective consciousness and experience. The eschaton is our
| ultimate destination, the final end toward which our lives are ordinated.
| Affirming an insight that lies at the core of classical Greek philosophy
as
| well as Judaism and Christianity (the three streams of what Voegelin terms
| "the Mediterranean tradition"), Voegelin views the yearning for
| transcendence, the restlessness for a world better and higher than this
| world, as a universal and empirically self-evident component of human
| personhood, nothing less than a fundamental part of who we are.
|
| Consequently, to immanentize the eschaton is to commit a basic error in
| self-understanding. It is to assume wrongly that human aspiration and
| destiny are coterminous with the natural world. It is to assume wrongly
that
| metaphysical questions, which are life's core questions, either do not
exist
| at all, or can be rationally investigated only through the methods of
| physics, which in practice tends to be another way of defining such
| questions as unanswerable and therefore irrelevant. In sum, to immanentize
| the eschaton is to assume wrongly that ultimate reality, of which God is
the
| final measure, is instead some form of this-world reality, of which man is
| presumed to be the final measure.
|
| And this professor you quoted; you were his favorite student? Perhaps your
| professor should have at least taught the correct spelling of Immanentize
| (eminitize)? Or was he (or you) trying to be cryptic?
|
| I think you're trying to say you know something the rest of us don't, or
| you've experienced something the rest of us have not. Please bring forth
| your enlightenment like the living verdure mighty one, as your mind
delivers
| the living verdure, like circinate vernation in the fullness of time. We
| wait, for we know your sagacity slays our inadequate bourgeois
understanding
| of all that has ever been, or all that will ever be. Truly you are the
Alpha
| and Omega! Archen te kai teleuten kai mesa ton onton apanton echon.
|
| No wait, you're just a bitter sad sack that loves spitting venomous words
as
| well as sophomoric bromides.
|  .
|
|
| "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:1166639207.778035.125890@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| >
| > Roland Moore wrote:
| >> Everyone here including Bass will each get their turn at everlasting
| >> peace
| >> and quiet.
| >> How it does, when it does and under what conditions it does come are
the
| >> only variables. I don't have any special knowledge of a hereafter, but
| >> you
| >> might want Bass to stick around for purely selfish reasons. You seem to
| >> know
| >> the negative side of Bass perhaps better than Bass himself does. If you
| >> end
| >> up in the same spot ultimately, do you want to give him that much of a
| >> challenge, opportunity and head start to get a special welcome ready
for
| >> you? In my friend's recent passing he in his last moment's (in a coma)
| >> sat
| >> up and shouted  to someone (no one else in the room could see) "I am
good
| >> to
| >> go". As you depart the planet you may see, as many other have reported
| >> seeing, certain visions.  Perhaps it will be a light you vision,
whether
| >> heavenly in nature or perhaps more like a blast furnace door, either
way
| >> Bass could be there saying "I've been waiting for you!" And to your
loved
| >> ones still on earth your last words they hear you say would be "Bass?
Is
| >> that you?"
| >>
| >>
| >
| > When you're dead, you're dead.
| >
| > But I can say that if I had the opportunity, I might consider using my
| > last breath to spit in his face.
| >
| > There's no magic or mystery about dying.
| >
| > Deitys are created in the minds of men to releive them of taking the
| > responsibilty for their own lives and deeds.
| >
| > When I die, the world comes to an end. That's all that's important. I'm
| > the most important person that ever existed and ever will. While I'm
| > here, I take care of those that are important to me. When I'm gone
| > they're on their own.
| >
| > As a professor I had, once told me   ... "Don't eminitize the
| > eschaton"
| > ( I dare you to look up the meaning of that quote!)
| >
|
|