Re: Commercial Alarm - help

["Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

"JoeRaisin" <joeraisin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I agree that there are 2 sides to every story.
> However, in this thread the point was made that 99% of alarms are false
> alarms and this is bsed on the police reports.

They are the responding authority which collects this data, and forwards it
to the USDOJ.
The alarm industry reports no data to the USDOJ which supports anything
different.
Where do you suppose the Alarm Industry receives crime statistics.
Pointing it out is mearly presenting where this information comes from.

> Bob has pointed out that on many occasions an alarm is reported as false
> when it is in fact not a false alarm.
> I have seen this myself.

That is true information, and I have seen the same first hand. Perception in
the numbers of responses and their results, can have a reverse/adverse
effect.

> Most recently, police arrived at a commercial building (Medical supply -
> no drugs though) in response to a an alarm.  Saw no sign of forced entry
> and put it down as a false alarm.  We show up to find out why the door
> contact falsed.  Surface mounted contact on a steel door in the back of
> the building.  Door was slightly warped but still seemed to have plenty
> of make/break - unless I pushed on the top of the door.  But, I had to
> push pretty hard.  Marks on the door indicate someone was trying to pry
> the door open and set off the alarm.
>
> Not the cops fault in this case - there wasn't anything apparent - but
> not a false alarm either.

That's why video verification is needed.

> But it will go down in the annual statistics as a false alarm giving
> further credence to the case that the 99% false alarm rate is not
accurate.

This will continue to happen unit the perception of what might be the cause
of an alarm becomes the majority of reasons. Humans are a nieve species.

> Jackcsg wrote:
> > "Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:6L8cf.47241$ty1.40262@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>"Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>news:apidnRqiiqfJi_feRVn-qw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>>"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>news:47ac79dad401c802f99d9a06557ba7c1@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>>J. Sloud said:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Do a google search for "99% false alarm" and you'll see reports from
> >>>>>police departments all across the country showing false alarm rates
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>>>or above 99%.
> >>>>
> >>>>Stop and think how that percentage is calculated.
> >>>
> >>><SNIP>
> >>>
> >>>Here's how simple the calculation is: The Police are notified to
respond
> >>
> >>to
> >>
> >>>a burglar alarm going off at xyz residence. Police arrive, find no sign
> >
> > of
> >
> >>a
> >>
> >>>break-in at the premise. This is logged as a "False Alarm". This
> >>
> >>information
> >>
> >>>is collected all Year long. At the end of the year, they compare the
> >>
> >>actual
> >>
> >>>calls for response, with ACTUAL crimes. Response vs. Crime.
> >>>
> >>>100% Response
> >>>99% False Alarm
> >>>1% Valid Crime
> >>>
> >>>If I'm wrong, show me a report from a responding authority having
> >>>jurisdiction that states otherwise. "SHOW ME"
> >>
> >>Show me how they accruately do this by not showing up for 1-2 hours,
don't
> >>get out of their car, mail a false alarm citation to a customer that
lives
> >>in a gated community and the guard has no record of an officer coming
> >>through, not going into a back yard if the gate is locked but yet there
is
> >>total water access in the back of the house, writting up a false alarm
> >
> > when
> >
> >>the window pane of glass was actually removed and sitting next to the
pool
> >>heater, when a slider was busted out and the whole house was trashed,
but
> >>yet reported as a false alarm, a police officer client from another city
> >
> > was
> >
> >>called, as an emergency call out, to his home. He left work and beat the
> >>responding agency to find his house burglarized. How about the girl that
> >
> > had
> >
> >>her face slashed from the eyebrow, down her cheek and neck and onto her
> >>breast. Quess how long it took for the PD to show up to her emergency
> >>button, even though it was after the fact. Not until her neighbor dialed
> >
> > 911
> >
> >>when she came out of the apartment. Want me to go on? I have a ton of
> >
> > them.
> >
> >>The bottom line is the PD's have used the FA hype to put themselves to
> >>sleep. If their superiors had policy to respond, they would respond. It
is
> >>not about FA's, it hasn't been that way for 130 years. It has only been
> >>since the bean counters that run the cities have started to do the
leaner
> >>and meaner thing which has become a why of life in today's society. If
> >>departments can have accident investigation officers and community
patrol
> >>cars, and funeral escort, they can have an alarm response division. If
> >
> > they
> >
> >>had this, then and only then can they put a realistic budget out as to
the
> >>real cost and not until than. Right now, all they have is made up BS
> >>numbers. I have listened, first hand, to it all. They, just like the two
> >>officers in Orlando that were gunned down because of their lacksidazical
> >>(sp) attitude about response, will get a rude awakening. Hopefully not.
> >>
> >>>
> > Damn Bob, tell us how you really feel!
> > There is no doubt that probably for every crime, 10,20,30 go untouched.
I've
> > been exposed to some of the same stories you've just told. The problem
> > is....you have just identified the perception. You know as well as I do
that
> > both sides of the story benefit the side telling the story. The dumb ass
> > taxpayer understands neither. It's the freakin' blame game. It's the
> > American way, and Understanding Capitalism 101. The non-thinkers will
always
> > rule this Country, and run it according to the highest levels of greed
> > obtainable. Reactive actions don't teach any one shit; it lays the first
> > word in the "Lessons Learned" document that is later given to the
pissers
> > and moaners. The last proactive thing that was done in this Country was
> > telling the British to go pound salt. Ask people today why that was done
> > today, and most are clueless. History has a way of being written...
> >
> >