Re: Commercial Alarm - help

["Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

"Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> And why do they report these statistics to the USDOJ?

Well, dispite circular views of perception, some American taxpayers actually
like some facts about where their tax dollars are spent, and the
effectiveness of monies spent. Some organizations use this information to
find better ways, or collective ways prove, disprove, enhance, or be made
aware of collected information. Unfortunately, this information can also be
bias, used inappropriately, or in most cases, never even acknowledged that
it exists. It also plays a part in National Security, and many other aspects
of our way of living.


>Are they doing this out of the goodness of their hearts?
 "They are required to do this for crime statistics in their area."

You answered your own question here. Something should always back
perception, don't you agree? Without some factual information we'd be living
in the Politicians world, always.

>Do you think that they are reporting the truth.

Compared to what you're countering with here, yes. Is it perfect? No.

> Salt Lake City was already caught reporting the crimes differently than
what
> the crime actually was to tilt the numbers away from burglaries, ie: a
broke
> window reported as property damage rather than a break in, loss of propery
> as a robbery or larceny rather than a burglary etc. They don't want
certain
> statistics reported to hurt their cities reputation for economical
> developement, real estate growth and funding. Don't fall into the fallacy
> that just because they said it, it must be Gospel. Broward County Sheriffs
> office is in deep deep dodo right now because of their reporting of crimes
> methods to close cases. It is well documented. It has be going on for
years,
> heads are rolling and many people are going to get a "get out of jail for
> free card".

Again you're selling a few isolated cases here. So if one organization
cheats the system, all must be cheating? IMO that's a sad approach, but I
also recognize it's the majority approach/perception. I don't have the money
to counter the majority, but I do have the common sense to question it.

> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > "JoeRaisin" <joeraisin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:6Plcf.64341$RG4.48647@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > I agree that there are 2 sides to every story.
> > > However, in this thread the point was made that 99% of alarms are
false
> > > alarms and this is bsed on the police reports.
> >
> > They are the responding authority which collects this data, and forwards
> it
> > to the USDOJ.
> > The alarm industry reports no data to the USDOJ which supports anything
> > different.
> > Where do you suppose the Alarm Industry receives crime statistics.
> > Pointing it out is mearly presenting where this information comes from.
> >
> > > Bob has pointed out that on many occasions an alarm is reported as
false
> > > when it is in fact not a false alarm.
> > > I have seen this myself.
> >
> > That is true information, and I have seen the same first hand.
Perception
> in
> > the numbers of responses and their results, can have a reverse/adverse
> > effect.
> >
> > > Most recently, police arrived at a commercial building (Medical
supply -
> > > no drugs though) in response to a an alarm.  Saw no sign of forced
entry
> > > and put it down as a false alarm.  We show up to find out why the door
> > > contact falsed.  Surface mounted contact on a steel door in the back
of
> > > the building.  Door was slightly warped but still seemed to have
plenty
> > > of make/break - unless I pushed on the top of the door.  But, I had to
> > > push pretty hard.  Marks on the door indicate someone was trying to
pry
> > > the door open and set off the alarm.
> > >
> > > Not the cops fault in this case - there wasn't anything apparent - but
> > > not a false alarm either.
> >
> > That's why video verification is needed.
> >
> > > But it will go down in the annual statistics as a false alarm giving
> > > further credence to the case that the 99% false alarm rate is not
> > accurate.
> >
> > This will continue to happen unit the perception of what might be the
> cause
> > of an alarm becomes the majority of reasons. Humans are a nieve species.
> >
> > > Jackcsg wrote:
> > > > "Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > news:6L8cf.47241$ty1.40262@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > >>"Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > >>news:apidnRqiiqfJi_feRVn-qw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>
> > > >>>"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > >>>news:47ac79dad401c802f99d9a06557ba7c1@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>J. Sloud said:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>Do a google search for "99% false alarm" and you'll see reports
> from
> > > >>>>>police departments all across the country showing false alarm
rates
> > > >
> > > > at
> > > >
> > > >>>>>or above 99%.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Stop and think how that percentage is calculated.
> > > >>>
> > > >>><SNIP>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Here's how simple the calculation is: The Police are notified to
> > respond
> > > >>
> > > >>to
> > > >>
> > > >>>a burglar alarm going off at xyz residence. Police arrive, find no
> sign
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > >>a
> > > >>
> > > >>>break-in at the premise. This is logged as a "False Alarm". This
> > > >>
> > > >>information
> > > >>
> > > >>>is collected all Year long. At the end of the year, they compare
the
> > > >>
> > > >>actual
> > > >>
> > > >>>calls for response, with ACTUAL crimes. Response vs. Crime.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>100% Response
> > > >>>99% False Alarm
> > > >>>1% Valid Crime
> > > >>>
> > > >>>If I'm wrong, show me a report from a responding authority having
> > > >>>jurisdiction that states otherwise. "SHOW ME"
> > > >>
> > > >>Show me how they accruately do this by not showing up for 1-2 hours,
> > don't
> > > >>get out of their car, mail a false alarm citation to a customer that
> > lives
> > > >>in a gated community and the guard has no record of an officer
coming
> > > >>through, not going into a back yard if the gate is locked but yet
> there
> > is
> > > >>total water access in the back of the house, writting up a false
alarm
> > > >
> > > > when
> > > >
> > > >>the window pane of glass was actually removed and sitting next to
the
> > pool
> > > >>heater, when a slider was busted out and the whole house was
trashed,
> > but
> > > >>yet reported as a false alarm, a police officer client from another
> city
> > > >
> > > > was
> > > >
> > > >>called, as an emergency call out, to his home. He left work and beat
> the
> > > >>responding agency to find his house burglarized. How about the girl
> that
> > > >
> > > > had
> > > >
> > > >>her face slashed from the eyebrow, down her cheek and neck and onto
> her
> > > >>breast. Quess how long it took for the PD to show up to her
emergency
> > > >>button, even though it was after the fact. Not until her neighbor
> dialed
> > > >
> > > > 911
> > > >
> > > >>when she came out of the apartment. Want me to go on? I have a ton
of
> > > >
> > > > them.
> > > >
> > > >>The bottom line is the PD's have used the FA hype to put themselves
to
> > > >>sleep. If their superiors had policy to respond, they would respond.
> It
> > is
> > > >>not about FA's, it hasn't been that way for 130 years. It has only
> been
> > > >>since the bean counters that run the cities have started to do the
> > leaner
> > > >>and meaner thing which has become a why of life in today's society.
If
> > > >>departments can have accident investigation officers and community
> > patrol
> > > >>cars, and funeral escort, they can have an alarm response division.
If
> > > >
> > > > they
> > > >
> > > >>had this, then and only then can they put a realistic budget out as
to
> > the
> > > >>real cost and not until than. Right now, all they have is made up BS
> > > >>numbers. I have listened, first hand, to it all. They, just like the
> two
> > > >>officers in Orlando that were gunned down because of their
> lacksidazical
> > > >>(sp) attitude about response, will get a rude awakening. Hopefully
> not.
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > > Damn Bob, tell us how you really feel!
> > > > There is no doubt that probably for every crime, 10,20,30 go
> untouched.
> > I've
> > > > been exposed to some of the same stories you've just told. The
problem
> > > > is....you have just identified the perception. You know as well as I
> do
> > that
> > > > both sides of the story benefit the side telling the story. The dumb
> ass
> > > > taxpayer understands neither. It's the freakin' blame game. It's the
> > > > American way, and Understanding Capitalism 101. The non-thinkers
will
> > always
> > > > rule this Country, and run it according to the highest levels of
greed
> > > > obtainable. Reactive actions don't teach any one shit; it lays the
> first
> > > > word in the "Lessons Learned" document that is later given to the
> > pissers
> > > > and moaners. The last proactive thing that was done in this Country
> was
> > > > telling the British to go pound salt. Ask people today why that was
> done
> > > > today, and most are clueless. History has a way of being written...
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
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