Re: Silent Knight Selection Tool

[RTS <gafa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 7/26/2022 7:31 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
> On 7/25/2022 8:54 PM, RTS wrote:
>> On 7/25/2022 4:44 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 7/25/2022 2:05 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>> On 7/25/2022 3:19 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>> On 7/25/2022 5:08 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/24/2022 10:14 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/23/2022 6:39 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2022 9:01 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am challenged with the SKST 1.4v  I have it on a Laptop but
>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>> load all the parts and go to "Battery Calculations" the
>>>>>>>>> software won't
>>>>>>>>> respond.  I need this version because this is for a SK5820XL
>>>>>>>>> Panel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since it is no longer made and or obsolete the newer version of
>>>>>>>>> SKST
>>>>>>>>> does not give the 5820XL as a choice to load parts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, my question is does anyone have the 1.4v of SKST or newer
>>>>>>>>> but not
>>>>>>>>> 2.0v since it only has the new stuff??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW I had this on my Office PC but it was wiped out when I
>>>>>>>>> upgraded
>>>>>>>>> to 2.0v a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Didn't think I would have to put together a Submittal for a add on
>>>>>>>>> to a 5820XL that I installed 11 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any hints or help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I have working on this problem for at least 6 hours.
>>>>>>>> With in 5 minutes of hitting the send button on the above post
>>>>>>>> I actually found version 1.5 on my office PC.  I loaded on my
>>>>>>>> WIN10 Laptop and the "Battery Calculations" did the same thing
>>>>>>>> and locked up the PC.  I then loaded on my older WIN7 Laptop and
>>>>>>>> it works just fine. ((^*%%**^#@^%*&^%^(*&!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyhow, I think that I am OK!!!!  Sympathies will be accepted!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was just thinking its been a very very long time since I did a
>>>>>>> fire alarm submittal, but I remember doing the calculations by
>>>>>>> hand from the individual MFG specs.  I didn't even know there was
>>>>>>> a calculator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know the the Battery Calc's can be done manually but I never did it
>>>>>> that way.  The SKST allows you to choose the panel and all of its
>>>>>> expanders, smoke models, heat models, pull stations, Horn Strobes,
>>>>>> etc. etc. and THEN it will generate a beautiful spread sheet of
>>>>>> the battery calc's.  Yea!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My current challenge is that I have lost the original file for this
>>>>>> project and now have to go back and find all the numbers and parts
>>>>>> to put into SKST along with the new for this upgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am getting closer now that I got the program working!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Call me Spoiled!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm reminded of one of the first fire alarm submittals I did. I
>>>>> stopped by a local architectural and engineering company to get
>>>>> copies of the blue prints.  They handed me a black line blank floor
>>>>> plan and told me I could use their big drafting table in the main
>>>>> floor.  I drew in a fire alarm, drew a riser diagram, and pulled
>>>>> calculations from my notes. Then they ran blue print copies for me
>>>>> for a buck a sheet.
>>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to another architect I worked with once.  JUST ONCE.  I
>>>>> called to ask for a copy of their floor plan.  They said 3 bucks a
>>>>> sheet.  When I arrived I asked for three blank floor plans and they
>>>>> proceed to charge me $20 bucks a sheet.  I went from zero to
>>>>> furious in about a tenth of a second.  The architect came out and
>>>>> seemed surprised. Â Â He tried to back pedal and say, "Well if we
>>>>> told you three then we'll do three."
>>>>>
>>>>> I refused.  "If 20 is your price I don't want to owe you anything,"
>>>>> as I threw cash money on the counter, scooped up the prints, and
>>>>> walked out. Â Â A few week later he mailed me a check for the
>>>>> difference.  I sent it back voided out.  One of my buddies did a
>>>>> lot of work for that architect, and had nothing but good things to
>>>>> say about him so who know. Â Â I know whenever I bid a job drawn by
>>>>> that architect I made sure in my terms it said customer to provide
>>>>> prints to my office by mail or courier at their expense.  I had two
>>>>> generals ask me why that term only appeared on some of my
>>>>> contracts.  I may or may not have included profanity in my
>>>>> explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>
>>>> I understand your frustration with that kind of process.  However, here
>>>> I have to provide the architectural drawings plans that are sighed,
>>>> sealed and stamped by the architect to include with the submittal for
>>>> a permit.  Meaning that the Code Official will not accept a drawing
>>>> with
>>>> my pencil lines on it.
>>>>
>>>> The Architect that I use does a walk thru with me I give him my layout
>>>> plan, he draws up everything and prints out the copies I need.  Which
>>>> I need 3 copies for Code Official and I get one for me and one for the
>>>> customer.  He charges be for his services, the last time was $700.
>>>> I bill the customer for that and for my time to put the submittal
>>>> documents together in order to get the permit.
>>>>
>>>> I have a walk thru meeting set with him for next Monday morning to
>>>> get the plan design set up and started.
>>>>
>>>> Later,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>
>>> Oh, yeah.  A licensed electrical engineer has to rubber stamp the
>>> plans for fire alarm here.  I always provided them the complete
>>> drawings to review, markup, and approve.  Never had one make any
>>> changes.  They just took my plans and a few days later asked for my
>>> payment for the rubber stamped copy.  $700 sounds about right.  That
>>> rubber stamp used to cost me $500 on average back when I still did
>>> fire alarm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> sound like you guys have some, ar-e-tec-ks that know a little bit
>> about FA submissions..
>> I got plans from one over here (Ky) from a guy in (IL)..  (mid 80's)
>> he did the whole buildings engineering, HVAC, Electrical, Plumbing,
>> etc..  Even the FA..
>> Once I got my set of plans,  I saw right away the guy didn't know
>> "Jack" about FA systems...
>> I did the plan according to his drawing and spec's..  and as expected
>> it came back..
>> I contacted the State and reminded them he was the site engineer and
>> they had approved his original plans...
>> They back peddled, and asked me if I could correct the original, that
>> they'd wave any fee for submissions....
>> That time I did a correction..
>> But clearly explained, that I wouldn't do it again...
>> I did 3 other jobs with that engineer later, each time I got a blank
>> floor plan, with no FA drawings any where listed...
>> The longer your in this business, the screwier some stuff becomes...
>>
>> RTS
>>
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> WOW!!!  You must have had too much time on you hands in the '80's!!!
>
> You did make a point that was apparently heard.  Good JOB!!!
>
> Les
>
>
on another time,  I had one of those pencil pushers, inspecting after a
fire, a theater..
(The local fire chief was praising the FA for informing them before the
blaze got out of hand..)
So the State inspector was trying to razz me about the way I ran wires
in a closed "attic" walk way..
Tried to tell me it had to be in conduit because the "public" could get
to it..
It just so happened, that was the spot where the fire had started..
(a blow back from a gas heater which had, had its safety covers removed..)
(remember the old attic heat sensors, that used 2 bare copper wires
twisted with "scotch tape" as the separator, once it got hot the tape
melted and a short occurred)
Well that's how the FA had been tripped, when the fire melted the
insulation on one of the loop wires..
I pointed that little tid-bit out to the junior g-man,
Nothing more was said about the way I ran wires...
(I understand his report was kicked back 3 times before the main office
accepted it for filing...)
..
the ole saying still holds true,  "If you don't know how to do anything,
  become a state employee, or even better an "Inspector".

RTS


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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*