Re: Silent Knight Selection Tool

[RTS <gafa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 7/25/2022 4:44 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 7/25/2022 2:05 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>> On 7/25/2022 3:19 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 7/25/2022 5:08 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>> On 7/24/2022 10:14 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>> On 7/23/2022 6:39 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/23/2022 9:01 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am challenged with the SKST 1.4v  I have it on a Laptop but when I
>>>>>>> load all the parts and go to "Battery Calculations" the software
>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>> respond.  I need this version because this is for a SK5820XL Panel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since it is no longer made and or obsolete the newer version of SKST
>>>>>>> does not give the 5820XL as a choice to load parts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, my question is does anyone have the 1.4v of SKST or newer but
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> 2.0v since it only has the new stuff??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW I had this on my Office PC but it was wiped out when I upgraded
>>>>>>> to 2.0v a few years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Didn't think I would have to put together a Submittal for a add on
>>>>>>> to a 5820XL that I installed 11 years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for any hints or help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I have working on this problem for at least 6 hours.
>>>>>> With in 5 minutes of hitting the send button on the above post
>>>>>> I actually found version 1.5 on my office PC.  I loaded on my
>>>>>> WIN10 Laptop and the "Battery Calculations" did the same thing
>>>>>> and locked up the PC.  I then loaded on my older WIN7 Laptop and
>>>>>> it works just fine. ((^*%%**^#@^%*&^%^(*&!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow, I think that I am OK!!!!  Sympathies will be accepted!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was just thinking its been a very very long time since I did a
>>>>> fire alarm submittal, but I remember doing the calculations by hand
>>>>> from the individual MFG specs.  I didn't even know there was a
>>>>> calculator.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>
>>>> I know the the Battery Calc's can be done manually but I never did it
>>>> that way.  The SKST allows you to choose the panel and all of its
>>>> expanders, smoke models, heat models, pull stations, Horn Strobes,
>>>> etc. etc. and THEN it will generate a beautiful spread sheet of
>>>> the battery calc's.  Yea!!!
>>>>
>>>> My current challenge is that I have lost the original file for this
>>>> project and now have to go back and find all the numbers and parts
>>>> to put into SKST along with the new for this upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> I am getting closer now that I got the program working!!!
>>>>
>>>> Call me Spoiled!!!
>>>>
>>>> Later,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm reminded of one of the first fire alarm submittals I did. I
>>> stopped by a local architectural and engineering company to get
>>> copies of the blue prints.  They handed me a black line blank floor
>>> plan and told me I could use their big drafting table in the main
>>> floor.  I drew in a fire alarm, drew a riser diagram, and pulled
>>> calculations from my notes. Then they ran blue print copies for me
>>> for a buck a sheet.
>>>
>>> As opposed to another architect I worked with once.  JUST ONCE.  I
>>> called to ask for a copy of their floor plan.  They said 3 bucks a
>>> sheet.  When I arrived I asked for three blank floor plans and they
>>> proceed to charge me $20 bucks a sheet.  I went from zero to furious
>>> in about a tenth of a second.  The architect came out and seemed
>>> surprised. Â Â He tried to back pedal and say, "Well if we told you
>>> three then we'll do three."
>>>
>>> I refused.  "If 20 is your price I don't want to owe you anything,"
>>> as I threw cash money on the counter, scooped up the prints, and
>>> walked out. Â Â A few week later he mailed me a check for the
>>> difference.  I sent it back voided out.  One of my buddies did a lot
>>> of work for that architect, and had nothing but good things to say
>>> about him so who know. Â Â I know whenever I bid a job drawn by that
>>> architect I made sure in my terms it said customer to provide prints
>>> to my office by mail or courier at their expense.  I had two generals
>>> ask me why that term only appeared on some of my contracts.  I may or
>>> may not have included profanity in my explanation.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> I understand your frustration with that kind of process.  However, here
>> I have to provide the architectural drawings plans that are sighed,
>> sealed and stamped by the architect to include with the submittal for
>> a permit.  Meaning that the Code Official will not accept a drawing with
>> my pencil lines on it.
>>
>> The Architect that I use does a walk thru with me I give him my layout
>> plan, he draws up everything and prints out the copies I need.  Which
>> I need 3 copies for Code Official and I get one for me and one for the
>> customer.  He charges be for his services, the last time was $700.
>> I bill the customer for that and for my time to put the submittal
>> documents together in order to get the permit.
>>
>> I have a walk thru meeting set with him for next Monday morning to
>> get the plan design set up and started.
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Les
>
> Oh, yeah.  A licensed electrical engineer has to rubber stamp the plans
> for fire alarm here.  I always provided them the complete drawings to
> review, markup, and approve.  Never had one make any changes.  They just
> took my plans and a few days later asked for my payment for the rubber
> stamped copy.  $700 sounds about right.  That rubber stamp used to cost
> me $500 on average back when I still did fire alarm.
>
>
>
sound like you guys have some, ar-e-tec-ks that know a little bit about
FA submissions..
I got plans from one over here (Ky) from a guy in (IL)..  (mid 80's)
he did the whole buildings engineering, HVAC, Electrical, Plumbing,
etc..  Even the FA..
Once I got my set of plans,  I saw right away the guy didn't know "Jack"
about FA systems...
I did the plan according to his drawing and spec's..  and as expected it
came back..
I contacted the State and reminded them he was the site engineer and
they had approved his original plans...
They back peddled, and asked me if I could correct the original, that
they'd wave any fee for submissions....
That time I did a correction..
But clearly explained, that I wouldn't do it again...
I did 3 other jobs with that engineer later, each time I got a blank
floor plan, with no FA drawings any where listed...
The longer your in this business, the screwier some stuff becomes...

RTS




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