Re: Silent Knight Selection Tool

[Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>]

On 7/25/2022 2:05 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
> On 7/25/2022 3:19 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 7/25/2022 5:08 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>> On 7/24/2022 10:14 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 7/23/2022 6:39 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/23/2022 9:01 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am challenged with the SKST 1.4v  I have it on a Laptop but when I
>>>>>> load all the parts and go to "Battery Calculations" the software
>>>>>> won't
>>>>>> respond.  I need this version because this is for a SK5820XL Panel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since it is no longer made and or obsolete the newer version of SKST
>>>>>> does not give the 5820XL as a choice to load parts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, my question is does anyone have the 1.4v of SKST or newer but not
>>>>>> 2.0v since it only has the new stuff??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW I had this on my Office PC but it was wiped out when I upgraded
>>>>>> to 2.0v a few years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't think I would have to put together a Submittal for a add on
>>>>>> to a 5820XL that I installed 11 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any hints or help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I have working on this problem for at least 6 hours.
>>>>> With in 5 minutes of hitting the send button on the above post
>>>>> I actually found version 1.5 on my office PC.  I loaded on my
>>>>> WIN10 Laptop and the "Battery Calculations" did the same thing
>>>>> and locked up the PC.  I then loaded on my older WIN7 Laptop and
>>>>> it works just fine. ((^*%%**^#@^%*&^%^(*&!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, I think that I am OK!!!!  Sympathies will be accepted!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was just thinking its been a very very long time since I did a
>>>> fire alarm submittal, but I remember doing the calculations by hand
>>>> from the individual MFG specs.  I didn't even know there was a
>>>> calculator.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> I know the the Battery Calc's can be done manually but I never did it
>>> that way.  The SKST allows you to choose the panel and all of its
>>> expanders, smoke models, heat models, pull stations, Horn Strobes,
>>> etc. etc. and THEN it will generate a beautiful spread sheet of
>>> the battery calc's.  Yea!!!
>>>
>>> My current challenge is that I have lost the original file for this
>>> project and now have to go back and find all the numbers and parts
>>> to put into SKST along with the new for this upgrade.
>>>
>>> I am getting closer now that I got the program working!!!
>>>
>>> Call me Spoiled!!!
>>>
>>> Later,
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm reminded of one of the first fire alarm submittals I did. I
>> stopped by a local architectural and engineering company to get copies
>> of the blue prints.  They handed me a black line blank floor plan and
>> told me I could use their big drafting table in the main  floor.  I
>> drew in a fire alarm, drew a riser diagram, and pulled calculations
>> from my notes. Then they ran blue print copies for me for a buck a sheet.
>>
>> As opposed to another architect I worked with once.  JUST ONCE.  I
>> called to ask for a copy of their floor plan.  They said 3 bucks a
>> sheet.  When I arrived I asked for three blank floor plans and they
>> proceed to charge me $20 bucks a sheet.  I went from zero to furious
>> in about a tenth of a second.  The architect came out and seemed
>> surprised. Â Â He tried to back pedal and say, "Well if we told you
>> three then we'll do three."
>>
>> I refused.  "If 20 is your price I don't want to owe you anything," as
>> I threw cash money on the counter, scooped up the prints, and walked
>> out.   A few week later he mailed me a check for the difference.  I
>> sent it back voided out.  One of my buddies did a lot of work for that
>> architect, and had nothing but good things to say about him so who
>> know. Â Â I know whenever I bid a job drawn by that architect I made
>> sure in my terms it said customer to provide prints to my office by
>> mail or courier at their expense.  I had two generals ask me why that
>> term only appeared on some of my contracts.  I may or may not have
>> included profanity in my explanation.
>>
>>
>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I understand your frustration with that kind of process.  However, here
> I have to provide the architectural drawings plans that are sighed,
> sealed and stamped by the architect to include with the submittal for
> a permit.  Meaning that the Code Official will not accept a drawing with
> my pencil lines on it.
>
> The Architect that I use does a walk thru with me I give him my layout
> plan, he draws up everything and prints out the copies I need.  Which
> I need 3 copies for Code Official and I get one for me and one for the
> customer.  He charges be for his services, the last time was $700.
> I bill the customer for that and for my time to put the submittal
> documents together in order to get the permit.
>
> I have a walk thru meeting set with him for next Monday morning to
> get the plan design set up and started.
>
> Later,
>
> Les

Oh, yeah.  A licensed electrical engineer has to rubber stamp the plans
for fire alarm here.  I always provided them the complete drawings to
review, markup, and approve.  Never had one make any changes.  They just
took my plans and a few days later asked for my payment for the rubber
stamped copy.  $700 sounds about right.  That rubber stamp used to cost
me $500 on average back when I still did fire alarm.



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