Re: Silent Knight Selection Tool

[ABLE1 <somewhere@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 7/25/2022 8:54 PM, RTS wrote:
> On 7/25/2022 4:44 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 7/25/2022 2:05 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>> On 7/25/2022 3:19 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 7/25/2022 5:08 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/24/2022 10:14 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/23/2022 6:39 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/23/2022 9:01 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am challenged with the SKST 1.4v  I have it on a Laptop but
>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>> load all the parts and go to "Battery Calculations" the software
>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>> respond.  I need this version because this is for a SK5820XL Panel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since it is no longer made and or obsolete the newer version of
>>>>>>>> SKST
>>>>>>>> does not give the 5820XL as a choice to load parts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, my question is does anyone have the 1.4v of SKST or newer
>>>>>>>> but not
>>>>>>>> 2.0v since it only has the new stuff??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW I had this on my Office PC but it was wiped out when I upgraded
>>>>>>>> to 2.0v a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Didn't think I would have to put together a Submittal for a add on
>>>>>>>> to a 5820XL that I installed 11 years ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for any hints or help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I have working on this problem for at least 6 hours.
>>>>>>> With in 5 minutes of hitting the send button on the above post
>>>>>>> I actually found version 1.5 on my office PC.  I loaded on my
>>>>>>> WIN10 Laptop and the "Battery Calculations" did the same thing
>>>>>>> and locked up the PC.  I then loaded on my older WIN7 Laptop and
>>>>>>> it works just fine. ((^*%%**^#@^%*&^%^(*&!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyhow, I think that I am OK!!!!  Sympathies will be accepted!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was just thinking its been a very very long time since I did a
>>>>>> fire alarm submittal, but I remember doing the calculations by
>>>>>> hand from the individual MFG specs.  I didn't even know there was
>>>>>> a calculator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know the the Battery Calc's can be done manually but I never did it
>>>>> that way.  The SKST allows you to choose the panel and all of its
>>>>> expanders, smoke models, heat models, pull stations, Horn Strobes,
>>>>> etc. etc. and THEN it will generate a beautiful spread sheet of
>>>>> the battery calc's.  Yea!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> My current challenge is that I have lost the original file for this
>>>>> project and now have to go back and find all the numbers and parts
>>>>> to put into SKST along with the new for this upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am getting closer now that I got the program working!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Call me Spoiled!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Later,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm reminded of one of the first fire alarm submittals I did. I
>>>> stopped by a local architectural and engineering company to get
>>>> copies of the blue prints.  They handed me a black line blank floor
>>>> plan and told me I could use their big drafting table in the main
>>>> floor.  I drew in a fire alarm, drew a riser diagram, and pulled
>>>> calculations from my notes. Then they ran blue print copies for me
>>>> for a buck a sheet.
>>>>
>>>> As opposed to another architect I worked with once.  JUST ONCE.  I
>>>> called to ask for a copy of their floor plan.  They said 3 bucks a
>>>> sheet.  When I arrived I asked for three blank floor plans and they
>>>> proceed to charge me $20 bucks a sheet.  I went from zero to furious
>>>> in about a tenth of a second.  The architect came out and seemed
>>>> surprised. Â Â He tried to back pedal and say, "Well if we told you
>>>> three then we'll do three."
>>>>
>>>> I refused.  "If 20 is your price I don't want to owe you anything,"
>>>> as I threw cash money on the counter, scooped up the prints, and
>>>> walked out. Â Â A few week later he mailed me a check for the
>>>> difference.  I sent it back voided out.  One of my buddies did a lot
>>>> of work for that architect, and had nothing but good things to say
>>>> about him so who know. Â Â I know whenever I bid a job drawn by that
>>>> architect I made sure in my terms it said customer to provide prints
>>>> to my office by mail or courier at their expense.  I had two
>>>> generals ask me why that term only appeared on some of my
>>>> contracts.  I may or may not have included profanity in my explanation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> I understand your frustration with that kind of process.  However, here
>>> I have to provide the architectural drawings plans that are sighed,
>>> sealed and stamped by the architect to include with the submittal for
>>> a permit.  Meaning that the Code Official will not accept a drawing with
>>> my pencil lines on it.
>>>
>>> The Architect that I use does a walk thru with me I give him my layout
>>> plan, he draws up everything and prints out the copies I need.  Which
>>> I need 3 copies for Code Official and I get one for me and one for the
>>> customer.  He charges be for his services, the last time was $700.
>>> I bill the customer for that and for my time to put the submittal
>>> documents together in order to get the permit.
>>>
>>> I have a walk thru meeting set with him for next Monday morning to
>>> get the plan design set up and started.
>>>
>>> Later,
>>>
>>> Les
>>
>> Oh, yeah.  A licensed electrical engineer has to rubber stamp the
>> plans for fire alarm here.  I always provided them the complete
>> drawings to review, markup, and approve.  Never had one make any
>> changes.  They just took my plans and a few days later asked for my
>> payment for the rubber stamped copy.  $700 sounds about right.  That
>> rubber stamp used to cost me $500 on average back when I still did
>> fire alarm.
>>
>>
>>
> sound like you guys have some, ar-e-tec-ks that know a little bit about
> FA submissions..
> I got plans from one over here (Ky) from a guy in (IL)..  (mid 80's)
> he did the whole buildings engineering, HVAC, Electrical, Plumbing,
> etc..  Even the FA..
> Once I got my set of plans,  I saw right away the guy didn't know "Jack"
> about FA systems...
> I did the plan according to his drawing and spec's..  and as expected it
> came back..
> I contacted the State and reminded them he was the site engineer and
> they had approved his original plans...
> They back peddled, and asked me if I could correct the original, that
> they'd wave any fee for submissions....
> That time I did a correction..
> But clearly explained, that I wouldn't do it again...
> I did 3 other jobs with that engineer later, each time I got a blank
> floor plan, with no FA drawings any where listed...
> The longer your in this business, the screwier some stuff becomes...
>
> RTS
>


Rocky,

WOW!!!  You must have had too much time on you hands in the '80's!!!

You did make a point that was apparently heard.  Good JOB!!!

Les