Re: Power Cycle

[RTS <gafa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 3/26/2021 1:49 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
> On 3/26/2021 12:26 PM, RTS wrote:
>> On 3/26/2021 8:46 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2021 11:33 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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>>>> Hey COOOL ! I've thought about doing something like that for my
>>>> office equipment but just never got around to it. But now that I
>>>> know what I can use to do it - - - - - I just may = = =
>>>> NAH ! I'll just continue to think about it and never do it.
>>>> But anyway - - - - as an aside. I don't know if you have ever
>>>> experienced this or not or if you did have a problem  - - - - you
>>>> didn't realize what the cause was.
>>>>
>>>> Years ago I had a customer with a barn and half a dozen or so
>>>> horses, a few goats a mule and a couple of donkeys. Lots of rabbits,
>>>> ducks, chickens and all kinds of animals. This guy was a prominent
>>>> and very successful dentist. But = = = =Â  the animals belonged to
>>>> his wife. She was some kind of weird about having animals around
>>>> her. Along with a lot of cats who climbed up on everything, she
>>>> actually had a huge pig living in the house with it's own room, a
>>>> couch and a TV. Damn thing wasn't house broken either and she'd run
>>>> around cleaning up pig shit and piss all day.
>>>>
>>>> One day I'm working in the house all by my self (except for the pig)
>>>> and I hear the lady of the house talking down stairs. So, I come
>>>> down stairs looking to greet my customer and there's no one in the
>>>> house. So I think maybe the kids came home and left right away. I go
>>>> back up stairs and in a little while I hear her talking down stairs
>>>> again, I come down and nothing. So I go back upstairs and wait by
>>>> the balcony. Then I spotted the F&^ing grey African parrots in a
>>>> cage over in the corner of the living room having a conversation.
>>>> Man - - - -Â  they sounded just like her talking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, they had me put a fire alarm in the barn with heat and smoke
>>>> detectors. By the way, the barn was heated too. About a year went by
>>>> and a smoke detector went bad. I changed it. Couple of weeks later,
>>>> another one goes bad. Couple of weeks the third one goes bad. So I
>>>> naturally thought I'd got a bad lot of smokes. So, about a year goes
>>>> by and another smoke detector goes bad. Month later another, few
>>>> weeks later the third one.
>>>> So to make it a short story. I sent the smoke detectors back to ESL
>>>> and I ultimately found out that the combination of the ammonia and
>>>> other elements in the animal piss created a crystalized deposit on
>>>> the printed circuit boards shorting out the components.
>>>>
>>>> I replaced the smoke detectors with heat detectors and had no more
>>>> problems.
>>>>
>>>> So if you start having problems with some of the electronics in the
>>>> barn,
>>>> Take heed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>> Happy Friday!!....................... Maybe??  To early to tell.
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>>> As for my timer project.  I checked the cameras this morning and
>>> all is good.  YEA!!!  One day of success!!
>>>
>>> As for your barn experience.......... WOW!! Thanks for the story.
>>>
>>> Never would have guessed the reasoning for the smokes going south!!
>>> Not that many animals at this particular barn.  Just horses and a
>>> few cats.  And those unknown/unseen critters.
>>>
>>> However, thank for the input.  I will consider that if I should
>>> have similar issues.  The question would be what to do or how
>>> to modify the install to fix it??
>>>
>>> I have done a few barns with fire protection (this current one being
>>> on the list).  I was always concerned more about false alarms with smoke
>>> detectors in that environment that I only installed heat detectors.
>>> I have always installed the fire wire in conduit to minimize any
>>> false alarms due to rodents that like to chew on wires.
>>>
>>> All was good until one day when a worker was carrying a 6x6 beam
>>> on his shoulder between the horse stalls for some project. Someone
>>> at the other end of the barn called out to him and he turned his
>>> head and body towards the person calling him. In doing so the
>>> beam turned as well and the one end came in perfect contact with
>>> a heat detector and smashed it, tripping off the fire alarm
>>> and dispatched the fire department!!  Can't think of everything!!
>>> But, I should have placed a cage protector on those heats, maybe!
>>>
>>> While on the barn thing, when this horse barn and indoor riding
>>> arena was being built, the owner decided to have an apartment
>>> built on the 2nd floor for a worker to live.  The code required that the
>>> apartment have sprinklers installed.  Which meant that since
>>> there is no city water a very large tank, pump, controls be installed
>>> to feed the said sprinklers.  When it came time for final inspection,
>>> the "local code official" determined that the tank was too small and
>>> that it needed to be up sized to the next bigger.  So, since the
>>> pump room was built around the the tank, the walls had to be torn
>>> down to get the small tank out and a bigger tank put in and the
>>> walls rebuilt.  YES a HUGE PITA!!  Not me doing the work but I
>>> had to do some rewiring because the pump had to be increased and
>>> a different pump controller. I can't even imagine the $'s involved.
>>>
>>> Sooooo about two years later the employee that was living in the
>>> apartment quit and moved elsewhere.  So the apartment is empty
>>> and winter is around the corner.  A decision was made to turn
>>> off the heat to the apartment since nobody was living there.
>>> Well as you can imagine in got cold, very cold and the pipes
>>> froze and split.  But, nothing happened....... until the
>>> outside temps warmed up...........and the ice melted,
>>> and the water flowed, and the fire alarm went off and the
>>> fire trucks showed up.  And as Murphy always does it
>>> was late at night when I got the call to get there and
>>> shut down the alarm system that was going nuts!!!
>>>
>>> When I arrived the Fire Dept. guys were tearing out the
>>> drywall ceiling & insulation and throwing everything
>>> out the 2nd floor window.  Apartment totaled!!!
>>>
>>> End of story is that all was rebuilt and now there is
>>> antifreeze in the pipes.....................
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoyed my true barn stories.
>>> You can't make this stuff up!!   :-)
>>>
>>> Les
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>> Â Â  Nothing as dramatic as you guys (tales).
>> But  I did manage to find out the hard way that PVC bag insulation
>> used in large open space building to insulate the roof space, will
>> gas a molecule that can trigger some smoke detectors when it reaches
>> a certain heat.... (like in the middle of summer)..  Took several
>> weeks to figure that one out...
>> Once switched over to heat detectors, problem went away...
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> Rocky,
> Either way it is problem that is difficult if not impossible
> to determine.  So you say "some" smoke detectors.
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> Are you referring to a ionization vs photoelectric??
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> Certain manufactures models??
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> I can understand a ionization having some issues because of the
> sensing device.  But it would be difficult to follow the thoughts
> on a photoelectric.  More details please!!!
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> It is OK if you type half as much as Jim and I put together!! LOL
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> Les
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  as best as I can remember, (an effort in it self)
the detectors were the old Ademco type with the off set
heat sensor wings at the smoke chamber..
(probability 10-15 years ago?  maybe more...)
All Photo's,  never have used the ions....

Bob,  I had an AHJ require me to place standard photo smokes
in a building wide freeze once..
Average temp.  20 degrees F...
I guess You know the rest of that story...
He signed off on a disable/bypass switch for that loop
after the 10th false alarm..
(Seems the owner was brother-in-law to one of the up a de ups
at the state office....)
[[Around here its Who you know, not What you know...]]

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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*