Re: Kidde "Badger" Universal Control Head (image)

["ABLE1" <nospamhere@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yea, I had the Blue & Blue/White correct that they were common.  I just the
NO and NC flipped.

Congrats!!  Now if the end connector is plugged onto the micro OR NOT,  you
will know.

JUST BE ADVISED:
That when your detonator timer is down to the last 3 seconds always cut the
blue wire first.
It always works in the movies and stops the clock.  Now you know why.

Les



"RTS" <gafa_usa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Les
> finally got a pic of the diagram  for the Badger switch
> see attached...
>
> common  switch 1  Blue          switch 2  Blue/stripe
> N.C.         switch 1   Yellow      switch 2   Yellow/stripe
> N.O.         switch 1  brown        switch 2   Brown/stripe
>
>
> Didn't cure my problem  but  Now  I know what is the problem...
>
> RTS
>
>
> "ABLE1"  wrote in message
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>
> Somehow I think I remember seeing the video on that or something similar.
> LOL
>
>
>
> "RTS" <gafa_usa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> HeHe,
>> I've heard stories  of the airman  who  just couldn't understand what
>> "keep hand off"   meant..
>> so one day  it just so happened  he was playing with the release pin on
>> the whole hanger foam system
>> when you guessed it,  the pin came out..  LOL
>> can you just see a 200 x 600  hanger with  20 feet of foam...   LOL
>> only the tail rudders on the planes was showing..
>> Everyone got a good bath  that day...
>>
>> RTS
>>
>>
>>
>> ABLE1"  wrote in message
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>>
>> Yea, somehow I can envision in my minds eye that the connector is not
>> pushed
>> on the micro terminals.  May have been a whoops by the installer OR
>> intentional.  You can draw your own conclusion, which I am sure you
>> already
>> have.
>>
>> Applying a low voltage should only prove that NOTHING happens.   What fun
>> would that be???
>>
>> A lot of years ago I was inspecting some CO2 fire suppression 4 decks
>> below
>> the main deck on a Light Guided Missile Cruiser inside a Paint Locker.  I
>> was with a 1st Class PO (who showing me the ropes) not sure what "we" did
>> but the alarms went off.  I never went up a ladder through 3 hatches so
>> fast
>> ever.  LOL  Being in a sealed room with a whole bunch of CO2 is not a
>> good
>> thing.  After our pulse rate returned to normal we determined it was a
>> false
>> alarm.   :-)  That night I did a over the side deep 6 on my skivvies some
>> where in the south pacific.
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>> "RTS" <gafa_usa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> Greetings  Les,
>>> Your link image  matches the one I got on the wall..
>>> We use to call that style of micro switch  a "cherry switch"   from the
>>> original  manufacturer  cic  1950..
>>>
>>> You'd think if the wires were on a micro switch  I'd be able to read
>>> something between the common and the N.C.
>>> But I'm  not reading anything on any pair combo..    That's what's got
>>
>>
>>> me..
>>>
>>> ((for 2 cents  I'd try goosing low voltage on them  to see if a solenoid
>>> engages  ..    LOL   should make for an interesting few minutes....))
>>>
>>> I guess  I'll have to lean on the owner to contact the installer and
>>> have
>>> them ID the correct pair or have them hookup to my ckt..
>>> We got a local co.  that deals with that brand  but so far  I've not
>>> heard from them...
>>>
>>> Thanks for the insight..
>>> RTS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "ABLE1"  wrote in message
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>>>
>>> RTS,
>>>
>>> Based on your meter readings then I would say that the wires are not
>>> connected inside.  Take a look at this unit on eBay.
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BADGER-FIRE-SUPPRESSION-SYSTEM-UNIVERSAL-CONTROL-HEAD-KIT-60-120099-001-/380797130128
>>>
>>> If you look closely at the pictures you can see the micro switches and
>>> the
>>> wire leads.  The leads have push on nylon connectors on the ends.
>>>
>>> This page shows the micro switch terminal configuration.  Not that this
>>> would be true for ALL micros but it will give you some idea of what you
>>> should be looking at.
>>>
>>> http://pewa.panasonic.com/assets/pcsd/catalog/am5-catalog.pdf
>>>
>>> However if the connectors are installed then I would say the following
>>> would
>>> be close.
>>>
>>> Based on the eBay picture and the terminals you have 2 micros.  The
>>> connectors are as follows.
>>>
>>> Switch 1 the Blue/White wire would be COM and Yellow/White NO and
>>> Brown/White NC
>>>
>>> Switch 2 the Blue wire would be COM and Yellow NO and Brown NC
>>>
>>> That may not 100% but I am guessing based on multiple assumptions.
>>>
>>> If you do find out for sure please let me know so I can sleep nights.
>>>
>>> Good Luck,
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "RTS" <gafa_usa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> Greetings Les,
>>>>
>>>> That's the rub  Les,  the system is armed  and to remove the face cover
>>>> I'd have to take off the manual trip handle..
>>>> Not being familiar with the "workings" of this unit  I'd just as soon
>>>> not take the face off..
>>>> (I've seen the results of folks  messing)   LOL
>>>> You may have notice  when viewing those  Goggle searches,  this unit or
>>>> one like it  had the ability to be triggered electronically.
>>>> That being the case  I was wondering if this unit is the one for which
>>>> those wire are for..(electronic trigger)
>>>>
>>>> If you find out anything else  let me know..
>>>> Thanks
>>>> RTS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ABLE1"  wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> RTS,
>>>>
>>>> I just googled "Badger 60 Universal Control Head"  and found a lot of
>>>> pictures and install of the unit.  But nothing with wires.  Are you
>>>> sure
>>>> of
>>>> the model number??   Or is this a add on component to the control
>>>> valve??
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion would be to remove the cover and find the micro switch
>>>> and
>>>> see
>>>> what wire is connected to what terminal.  Normally the terminal ID is
>>>> on
>>>> the
>>>> Micro cover at the terminal.  Remove the Micro and manipulate as needed
>>>> to
>>>> determine what is going on.
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "RTS" <gafa_usa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> Looking for a little help  with wire output..
>>>> Been tasked with the hookup of a Badger 60 Universal Control Head
>>>> (Cook
>>>> Hood Suppression system)
>>>> to a local Fire Alarm Panel..
>>>> (alarm when the hood system is activated)
>>>>
>>>> UCH  has 6 wires showing,  Yellow, Yellow/stripe, Blue, Blue/stripe,
>>>> Brown
>>>> and Brown/stripe..
>>>>
>>>> No 2 wires of the set has a continuity  short..
>>>>
>>>> Does this unit support connection of a dry contact closure?
>>>> If so,  which color pair of wires would accomplish this connection?
>>>>
>>>> This is a fairly new installation but the installers didn't leave any
>>>> paper
>>>> work behind for the owners records..
>>>> I've been unable to get any help from the manufacturer or their
>>>> website..
>>>>
>>>> Many Thanks for those that can help with this problem..
>>>>
>>>> RTS
>>>>
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