Re: Kidde "Badger" Universal Control Head

["ABLE1" <nospamhere@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Somehow I think I remember seeing the video on that or something similar.
LOL



"RTS" <gafa_usa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> HeHe,
> I've heard stories  of the airman  who  just couldn't understand what
> "keep hand off"   meant..
> so one day  it just so happened  he was playing with the release pin on
> the whole hanger foam system
> when you guessed it,  the pin came out..  LOL
> can you just see a 200 x 600  hanger with  20 feet of foam...   LOL
> only the tail rudders on the planes was showing..
> Everyone got a good bath  that day...
>
> RTS
>
>
>
> ABLE1"  wrote in message
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> Yea, somehow I can envision in my minds eye that the connector is not
> pushed
> on the micro terminals.  May have been a whoops by the installer OR
> intentional.  You can draw your own conclusion, which I am sure you
> already
> have.
>
> Applying a low voltage should only prove that NOTHING happens.   What fun
> would that be???
>
> A lot of years ago I was inspecting some CO2 fire suppression 4 decks
> below
> the main deck on a Light Guided Missile Cruiser inside a Paint Locker.  I
> was with a 1st Class PO (who showing me the ropes) not sure what "we" did
> but the alarms went off.  I never went up a ladder through 3 hatches so
> fast
> ever.  LOL  Being in a sealed room with a whole bunch of CO2 is not a good
> thing.  After our pulse rate returned to normal we determined it was a
> false
> alarm.   :-)  That night I did a over the side deep 6 on my skivvies some
> where in the south pacific.
>
> Les
>
>
> "RTS" <gafa_usa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Greetings  Les,
>> Your link image  matches the one I got on the wall..
>> We use to call that style of micro switch  a "cherry switch"   from the
>> original  manufacturer  cic  1950..
>>
>> You'd think if the wires were on a micro switch  I'd be able to read
>> something between the common and the N.C.
>> But I'm  not reading anything on any pair combo..    That's what's got
>
>
>> me..
>>
>> ((for 2 cents  I'd try goosing low voltage on them  to see if a solenoid
>> engages  ..    LOL   should make for an interesting few minutes....))
>>
>> I guess  I'll have to lean on the owner to contact the installer and have
>> them ID the correct pair or have them hookup to my ckt..
>> We got a local co.  that deals with that brand  but so far  I've not
>> heard from them...
>>
>> Thanks for the insight..
>> RTS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "ABLE1"  wrote in message
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>> RTS,
>>
>> Based on your meter readings then I would say that the wires are not
>> connected inside.  Take a look at this unit on eBay.
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BADGER-FIRE-SUPPRESSION-SYSTEM-UNIVERSAL-CONTROL-HEAD-KIT-60-120099-001-/380797130128
>>
>> If you look closely at the pictures you can see the micro switches and
>> the
>> wire leads.  The leads have push on nylon connectors on the ends.
>>
>> This page shows the micro switch terminal configuration.  Not that this
>> would be true for ALL micros but it will give you some idea of what you
>> should be looking at.
>>
>> http://pewa.panasonic.com/assets/pcsd/catalog/am5-catalog.pdf
>>
>> However if the connectors are installed then I would say the following
>> would
>> be close.
>>
>> Based on the eBay picture and the terminals you have 2 micros.  The
>> connectors are as follows.
>>
>> Switch 1 the Blue/White wire would be COM and Yellow/White NO and
>> Brown/White NC
>>
>> Switch 2 the Blue wire would be COM and Yellow NO and Brown NC
>>
>> That may not 100% but I am guessing based on multiple assumptions.
>>
>> If you do find out for sure please let me know so I can sleep nights.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "RTS" <gafa_usa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> Greetings Les,
>>>
>>> That's the rub  Les,  the system is armed  and to remove the face cover
>>> I'd have to take off the manual trip handle..
>>> Not being familiar with the "workings" of this unit  I'd just as soon
>>> not take the face off..
>>> (I've seen the results of folks  messing)   LOL
>>> You may have notice  when viewing those  Goggle searches,  this unit or
>>> one like it  had the ability to be triggered electronically.
>>> That being the case  I was wondering if this unit is the one for which
>>> those wire are for..(electronic trigger)
>>>
>>> If you find out anything else  let me know..
>>> Thanks
>>> RTS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "ABLE1"  wrote in message
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>>> RTS,
>>>
>>> I just googled "Badger 60 Universal Control Head"  and found a lot of
>>> pictures and install of the unit.  But nothing with wires.  Are you sure
>>> of
>>> the model number??   Or is this a add on component to the control
>>> valve??
>>>
>>> My suggestion would be to remove the cover and find the micro switch and
>>> see
>>> what wire is connected to what terminal.  Normally the terminal ID is on
>>> the
>>> Micro cover at the terminal.  Remove the Micro and manipulate as needed
>>> to
>>> determine what is going on.
>>>
>>> Good Luck
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "RTS" <gafa_usa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> Looking for a little help  with wire output..
>>> Been tasked with the hookup of a Badger 60 Universal Control Head  (Cook
>>> Hood Suppression system)
>>> to a local Fire Alarm Panel..
>>> (alarm when the hood system is activated)
>>>
>>> UCH  has 6 wires showing,  Yellow, Yellow/stripe, Blue, Blue/stripe,
>>> Brown
>>> and Brown/stripe..
>>>
>>> No 2 wires of the set has a continuity  short..
>>>
>>> Does this unit support connection of a dry contact closure?
>>> If so,  which color pair of wires would accomplish this connection?
>>>
>>> This is a fairly new installation but the installers didn't leave any
>>> paper
>>> work behind for the owners records..
>>> I've been unable to get any help from the manufacturer or their
>>> website..
>>>
>>> Many Thanks for those that can help with this problem..
>>>
>>> RTS
>>>
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