Re: Some installers should not be working on advanced panels

[nick markowitz <nmarkowitz@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Mar 18, 11:34=A0pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 6:14=A0pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Mar 18, 5:24=A0pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Mar 18, 4:01=A0pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > They should put a very big note in Vista 32FB- 128 FB BP etc. As We=
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> > > > as NX-8 etc etc.
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> > > > WARNING THIS PANEL IS TO BE INSTALLED AND PROGRAMMED ONLY BY
> > > > EXPERIENCED INSTALLERS. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PROGRAM BY HAND UNLESS YO=
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> > > > KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING OR YOU COULD PUT LIFE AND PROPERTY =
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> > > > RISK.
> > > > THIS PANEL HAS EXTENSIVE MENUS AND ADVANCED FUNCTIONS =A0ONLY A
> > > > QUALIFIED TECH WILL FULLY UNDERSTAND.
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> > > > IF YOU ARE NOT SURE KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF AND PUT YOUR SCREW DRIVER D=
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> > > > AND GET SOME ONE WHO DOES.
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> > > > Once again I found some fucking idiot =A0installers who tried to in=
stall
> > > > addressable smokes on the 2 wire loop could not get it working so t=
hey
> > > > just turned off zone and left it disabled =A0over year 1/2 ago.
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> > > > Could not get heat loop working had series and parallel resistors o=
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> > > > it. so they disabled it and told no one .
> > > > had wrong resistors where the hell they came up with 10 k resistors
> > > > when only 2 k come with panels.
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> > > > This was a 3 million dollar home and there where no 120 daisy chain
> > > > smokes in residence.
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> > > RHC: You think ?? Hey, I see that all the time, regardless of the
> > > alarm company or anything else. There are far too many incompetent
> > > installers in this industry, just as there are far too many
> > > incompetent people in any line of work. Only thing is in our line of
> > > work, when things don't work, people can actually get hurt (especiall=
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> > > in the fire alarm industry).
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> > > Don't let it get to you...just fix the problem and move on....
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> > It does get to me when Iam not installing alarms I work as a fire
> > investigator =A0and I have been on some nasty ones lately.
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> RHC: I know Nick, I bet you see things that most people on this group
> can only think about.
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> I recently took over an ADT installed system with smoke detectors that
> had NEVER worked from day one due to improper installation. Details in
> the panel indicated it had been installed some five years previously.
> That's five years that no one had the protection they had been paying
> for. That's five years that the insurance company had been extending a
> discount that was not proper. And worse, that's five years during
> which someone could had died because of the total incompetence of some
> "professional" installer.
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> But bottom line, what could anyone do at that point but fix the
> problem and move on.....which I did.

We need to start holding company's and installers responsible
criminally in cases like this then they would get the message.
Just holding a license or being qualified means nothing unless theirs
some teeth behind it.
 an electrician in CT went to prison  after wiring a 120 volt heater
to 220 volts and fire killed young girl
this man was a state certified electrical inspector  to boot. who
wired in heater with no permit.
Here in Pa a mechanic went to prison for falsifying inspection reports
which caused a death when brakes failed.
when installers realize consequences then we will have professional
installers and techs
Until then I just hope I get there and find the problem and correct it
before some one dies.
I follow it up with certified letters to AHJ , Insurance company's ,
installing company's putting them on notice
some one needs to start paying attention.
I get all kind of grief over it but it is only way we are going to
prevent deaths is little bit of realty.