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Re: Some installers should not be working on advanced panels



On Mar 19, 7:20=A0am, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 11:34=A0pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Mar 18, 6:14=A0pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Mar 18, 5:24=A0pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > On Mar 18, 4:01=A0pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > They should put a very big note in Vista 32FB- 128 FB BP etc. As =
Well
> > > > > as NX-8 etc etc.
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> > > > > WARNING THIS PANEL IS TO BE INSTALLED AND PROGRAMMED ONLY BY
> > > > > EXPERIENCED INSTALLERS. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PROGRAM BY HAND UNLESS =
YOU
> > > > > KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING OR YOU COULD PUT LIFE AND PROPERT=
Y AT
> > > > > RISK.
> > > > > THIS PANEL HAS EXTENSIVE MENUS AND ADVANCED FUNCTIONS =A0ONLY A
> > > > > QUALIFIED TECH WILL FULLY UNDERSTAND.
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> > > > > IF YOU ARE NOT SURE KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF AND PUT YOUR SCREW DRIVER=
 DOWN
> > > > > AND GET SOME ONE WHO DOES.
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> > > > > Once again I found some fucking idiot =A0installers who tried to =
install
> > > > > addressable smokes on the 2 wire loop could not get it working so=
 they
> > > > > just turned off zone and left it disabled =A0over year 1/2 ago.
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> > > > > Could not get heat loop working had series and parallel resistors=
 on
> > > > > it. so they disabled it and told no one .
> > > > > had wrong resistors where the hell they came up with 10 k resisto=
rs
> > > > > when only 2 k come with panels.
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> > > > > This was a 3 million dollar home and there where no 120 daisy cha=
in
> > > > > smokes in residence.
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> > > > RHC: You think ?? Hey, I see that all the time, regardless of the
> > > > alarm company or anything else. There are far too many incompetent
> > > > installers in this industry, just as there are far too many
> > > > incompetent people in any line of work. Only thing is in our line o=
f
> > > > work, when things don't work, people can actually get hurt (especia=
lly
> > > > in the fire alarm industry).
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> > > > Don't let it get to you...just fix the problem and move on....
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> > > It does get to me when Iam not installing alarms I work as a fire
> > > investigator =A0and I have been on some nasty ones lately.
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> > RHC: I know Nick, I bet you see things that most people on this group
> > can only think about.
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> > I recently took over an ADT installed system with smoke detectors that
> > had NEVER worked from day one due to improper installation. Details in
> > the panel indicated it had been installed some five years previously.
> > That's five years that no one had the protection they had been paying
> > for. That's five years that the insurance company had been extending a
> > discount that was not proper. And worse, that's five years during
> > which someone could had died because of the total incompetence of some
> > "professional" installer.
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> > But bottom line, what could anyone do at that point but fix the
> > problem and move on.....which I did.
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> We need to start holding company's and installers responsible
> criminally in cases like this then they would get the message.
> Just holding a license or being qualified means nothing unless theirs
> some teeth behind it.
> =A0an electrician in CT went to prison =A0after wiring a 120 volt heater
> to 220 volts and fire killed young girl
> this man was a state certified electrical inspector =A0to boot. who
> wired in heater with no permit.
> Here in Pa a mechanic went to prison for falsifying inspection reports
> which caused a death when brakes failed.
> when installers realize consequences then we will have professional
> installers and techs
> Until then I just hope I get there and find the problem and correct it
> before some one dies.
> I follow it up with certified letters to AHJ , Insurance company's ,
> installing company's putting them on notice
> some one needs to start paying attention.
> I get all kind of grief over it but it is only way we are going to
> prevent deaths is little bit of realty.

I forgot to mention when you work both sides of a trade or industry
you really get to see the good bad and ugly of things.
maybe that's why im more persistent on doing things because I have
seen the deadly end result if your not careful.
Once you go on a fire scene where there has been a death you never get
that smell out of your nose.


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