Re: Automatic fire sprinklers

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Jan 17, 11:37=A0am, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> On Jan 14, 11:33=A0pm, Evan <evan.news.re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Jan 14, 4:41=A0pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@xxxxxxxxx>
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> > > On Jan 14, 10:54=A0am, Frank Kurz <t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > On 13/01/2011 4:56 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:
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> > > > > On Jan 13, 7:46 am, nick markowitz<nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote=
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> > > > >> On Jan 12, 11:22 pm, Smitty Two<prestwh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> =A0wro=
te:
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> > > > >>> In article
> > > > >>> <e44ecd7c-97da-4094-9b03-a80076a6c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
com>,
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> > > > >>> =A0 Evan<evan.news.re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
> > > > >>>> All I claimed was that such things would not be
> > > > >>>> required if
> > > > >>>> there was not a trend of accidents...
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> > > > >>> Bzzt. Incorrect. GFCIs became law for one reason: Someone who s=
tood to
> > > > >>> make tens of millions of dollars selling them lobbied for the l=
aw. There
> > > > >>> is no trend of accidents.
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> > > > >> I have seen GFCI prevent many accidents over the years but I hav=
e also
> > > > >> seen them bypassed as well.
> > > > >> where back to the people who get zapped are the ones using fraye=
d
> > > > >> extension cords or cords with grounds cut off and plugged in bac=
k
> > > > >> wards etc etc.
> > > > >> Every time you read an electrocution report in any of the trade
> > > > >> magazines the individual has done something to cause the acciden=
t.
> > > > >> latest article was on a farm where pressure washer was totally
> > > > >> corroded safety shields off and =A0no ground and gfci bypassed w=
onder
> > > > >> why some one died.
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> > > > > So exactly what is the "maintenance" on a basic sprinkler system?=
 =A0I'm
> > > > > asking because I'm installing sprinklers in the garage I'm buildi=
ng.
> > > > > I ran water pipes off the main cold coming in and I bought some o=
f
> > > > > those sprinklers with the little expansion glass pieces in the
> > > > > centers. =A0You certainly can't test tripping one of them because=
 then
> > > > > you have to replace it.
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> > > > In our neck of the woods you'd require a back-flow preventer on you=
r
> > > > sprinkler system to avoid contamination of the domestic supply. =A0=
That
> > > > has to be inspected annually. =A0Check with your local AHJ regardin=
g any
> > > > further requirements. =A0You may be required to interconnect your s=
moke
> > > > alarms to a flow switch. =A0If it's a heated garage and depending o=
n your
> > > > location, you may require a low temperature alarm. =A0In fact it mi=
ght not
> > > > be a bad idea to have one anyway and interconnect it to your monito=
red
> > > > security system.
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> > > So, about how many people have any kind of security system
> > > in their house? =A0They're pretty rare here in small-town Midwest.
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> > > Cindy Hamilton
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> > That is a piss poor excuse... =A0Do you have door locks on your doors
> > in small-town Midwest too? =A0Or is the town so small and safe that
> > everyone would be on red alert the moment a strange car pulled off
> > the main road at the blinking traffic signal at the one intersection?
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> Of course we have locks on the doors. =A0We also have a very low
> crime rate; security systems seems like expenditure for very
> little return. =A0Not that I think you're interested, but here's a
> crime map for my area:
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> http://arborweb.com/articles/crime_maps/
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> I live in the lower right corner.
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> > Wow... =A0Sadly the ridiculous things that are being offered as
> > challenges and/or excuses against requiring automatic fire sprinklers
> > in homes are surprising me... =A0Which shouldn't, I mean airbags became
> > a requirement in cars because people were failing to use the
> > seatbelts...
> > In many accidents the combination of airbag and seatbelt will save
> > your life...
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> I was just curious about how many people have security systems. =A0My
> previous house had a really crappy one; the previous owner was some
> kind of paranoid cheapskate. =A0It kept going off by itself, so we
> disconnected it.
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> My 1948 house probably will never be retrofit with sprinkler systems,
> and I think a security system is unlikely while I live there.
>
> Cindy Hamilton-

Would seem to me that anyone wanting to break into a home just might
look at a "low crime" area as a place where few people have alarm
systems ...... or that a lot of people have alarm system.

The thing to keep in mind is ..... anyone who has the mentality to
think that breaking into homes is ok, is not likely to have the
mentality to evaluate where the crime rate is high or low. If it looks
easy and the conditions are right ..... they do it. Ya just never
know ..... Security systems are like insurance. You have it just in
case you need it hoping that you never need it. If you don't have a
security system when the time comes .... you regret it for the
relatively small cost as compared to the loss you suffer...
particularly the sentimental items and the "invasion of privacy"
issues that no one ever can appriciate until it happens to them.
Statistically, people with alarm system suffer a lower dollar amount
of loss then those who don't have systems. The other probably more
important reason is the fire alarm.

There's got to be something to it if the insurance companys give a
discount for having an alarm system. Many times the discount almost
equals the cost of the central station monitoring fee. You never know
if you're going to be one of those "statistics"