Re: Automatic fire sprinklers

[Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jan 14, 11:33=A0pm, Evan <evan.news.re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 4:41=A0pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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> > On Jan 14, 10:54=A0am, Frank Kurz <t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On 13/01/2011 4:56 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:
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> > > > On Jan 13, 7:46 am, nick markowitz<nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
> > > >> On Jan 12, 11:22 pm, Smitty Two<prestwh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote=
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> > > >>> In article
> > > >>> <e44ecd7c-97da-4094-9b03-a80076a6c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
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> > > >>> =A0 Evan<evan.news.re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
> > > >>>> All I claimed was that such things would not be
> > > >>>> required if
> > > >>>> there was not a trend of accidents...
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> > > >>> Bzzt. Incorrect. GFCIs became law for one reason: Someone who sto=
od to
> > > >>> make tens of millions of dollars selling them lobbied for the law=
. There
> > > >>> is no trend of accidents.
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> > > >> I have seen GFCI prevent many accidents over the years but I have =
also
> > > >> seen them bypassed as well.
> > > >> where back to the people who get zapped are the ones using frayed
> > > >> extension cords or cords with grounds cut off and plugged in back
> > > >> wards etc etc.
> > > >> Every time you read an electrocution report in any of the trade
> > > >> magazines the individual has done something to cause the accident.
> > > >> latest article was on a farm where pressure washer was totally
> > > >> corroded safety shields off and =A0no ground and gfci bypassed won=
der
> > > >> why some one died.
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> > > > So exactly what is the "maintenance" on a basic sprinkler system? =
=A0I'm
> > > > asking because I'm installing sprinklers in the garage I'm building=
.
> > > > I ran water pipes off the main cold coming in and I bought some of
> > > > those sprinklers with the little expansion glass pieces in the
> > > > centers. =A0You certainly can't test tripping one of them because t=
hen
> > > > you have to replace it.
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> > > In our neck of the woods you'd require a back-flow preventer on your
> > > sprinkler system to avoid contamination of the domestic supply. =A0Th=
at
> > > has to be inspected annually. =A0Check with your local AHJ regarding =
any
> > > further requirements. =A0You may be required to interconnect your smo=
ke
> > > alarms to a flow switch. =A0If it's a heated garage and depending on =
your
> > > location, you may require a low temperature alarm. =A0In fact it migh=
t not
> > > be a bad idea to have one anyway and interconnect it to your monitore=
d
> > > security system.
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> > So, about how many people have any kind of security system
> > in their house? =A0They're pretty rare here in small-town Midwest.
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> > Cindy Hamilton
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> That is a piss poor excuse... =A0Do you have door locks on your doors
> in small-town Midwest too? =A0Or is the town so small and safe that
> everyone would be on red alert the moment a strange car pulled off
> the main road at the blinking traffic signal at the one intersection?

Of course we have locks on the doors.  We also have a very low
crime rate; security systems seems like expenditure for very
little return.  Not that I think you're interested, but here's a
crime map for my area:

http://arborweb.com/articles/crime_maps/

I live in the lower right corner.

> Wow... =A0Sadly the ridiculous things that are being offered as
> challenges and/or excuses against requiring automatic fire sprinklers
> in homes are surprising me... =A0Which shouldn't, I mean airbags became
> a requirement in cars because people were failing to use the
> seatbelts...
> In many accidents the combination of airbag and seatbelt will save
> your life...

I was just curious about how many people have security systems.  My
previous house had a really crappy one; the previous owner was some
kind of paranoid cheapskate.  It kept going off by itself, so we
disconnected it.

My 1948 house probably will never be retrofit with sprinkler systems,
and I think a security system is unlikely while I live there.

Cindy Hamilton