Re: Automatic fire sprinklers

[nick markowitz <nmarkowitz@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jan 12, 5:23=A0pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 5:06=A0pm, jamesgangnc <jamesgan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Jan 12, 1:37=A0pm, Tom Horne <horn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Jan 12, 11:31=A0am, jamesgangnc <jamesgan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > On Jan 12, 10:25=A0am, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > In article <5qednQCgQrTCWbDQnZ2dnUVZ_oidn...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > > > > =A0"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > > ?
> > > > > > "Shaun Eli" <missingch...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote .>
> > > > > > > It's a pretty small cost to add sprinklers to new constructio=
n. Fires
> > > > > > > are rare but they're expensive as hell. And you can rebuild a=
 house;
> > > > > > > you can't rebuild a burned-to-death person.
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> > > > > > I'd like to see if they really save lives. =A0How many people a=
re killed by
> > > > > > smoke inhalation before a sprinkler would activate? =A0I'm thin=
king of a
> > > > > > smoldering sofa or mattress that can kill you long before a fla=
me gets hot
> > > > > > enough to set off a sprinkler head. =A0 In the case of a heater=
 fires, it may
> > > > > > make a difference as the fire is in another area of the house.
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> > > > > =A0 According to the NFPA records there has never been a multiple=
 fatality
> > > > > fire in the US. Their records go back to around 1900. Most of the
> > > > > fatalities have been things like smoking in bed where the smoker =
was
> > > > > cooked, but nobody else, which would seem to answer your question=
. This
> > > > > includes hotels, nursing homes, hospitals, etc., in addition to
> > > > > residences.
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> > > > > > As for property damage, it does save fire damage, but can repla=
ce it with
> > > > > > water damage.
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> > > > > > I'm not for or against, I just want to see more facts before de=
ciding.
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> > > > > --
> > > > > "Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus=
 tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
> > > > > =A0---PJ O'Rourke
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> > > > I've seen multiple fatality fires just here in the local news in NC=
 so
> > > > something is wrong with your source.
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> > > James
> > > Are you saying that you can identify a specific instance of a multipl=
e
> > > fatality fire in a property that is protected by a complete automatic
> > > fire sprinkler system. =A0A yes or no answer would be appreciated.
> > > --
> > > Tom Horne- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > I'm not saying that at all. =A0I don't know one way or another. =A0The
> > original post, below, says nothing about the presence or absence of a
> > sprinkler system. =A0It just says there are no records of multiple
> > deaths. =A0I'm guessing now the intention was to say in locations with
> > sprinklers but that's not in the post.
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> > > > =A0 According to the NFPA records there has never been a multiple f=
atality
> > > > fire in the US. Their records go back to around 1900. Most of the
> > > > fatalities have been things like smoking in bed where the smoker wa=
s
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> Then some one was emptying those traps or all are in =A0warm environment
> but any dry system you open around here you will find water =A0I have 38
> systems I keep an eye on and all 38 can not be put in wrong different
> installers and different years all use compressed air only one I do
> not have to screw with is one that has a nitrogen tank on it.
> I maintain the air system in a darkroom and get water in it as well
> and it has all kinds of traps filters etc but we still have to have
> desiccant units at the discharge points so air is clean and dry and
> does not cause problems when blowing off negatives.
> Like I said I have phone numbers of techs ,sprinkler guys and FM who
> will tell you same thing all the dry systems around here need drained
> at least monthly some time bi monthly or your in trouble.during the
> winter.
> maybe not this month maybe not 3-4 months but you will have a problem.
> It is the nature of the beast here.
> Where would you ,like me to send you all the FD and insurance reports.

You also forget your talking a military installation to a civilian one
that's a very big difference. Military always uses highest grade of
materials etc and idiot proofs everything.
unfortunately my brother in law who was CPO and a communications
officer  on a sub found out when he came back to civilian life his
skills did not easily transfer back we do things way differently in
civilian life than in the military.
I see it all the time with guys who are highly skilled military people
who skills do not transfer back It is a dam shame.
But its like apples and oranges.
Some come home and get easily employed while many do not depending
what you did for the military.