Re: Need for pool

[Frank Olson <use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Robert L Bass wrote:

> Wrong as usual, Olson.  I never advertised the M1G home automation
> system as being appropriate for fire alarm until it received the UL
> listing.

Did you actually come out and say so?  How many of your clients (after
reviewing the installation instructions which detail the proper hookups)
actually went ahead and installed fire detectors on their systems?
Hint:  They're the ones that bought the "complete package" from you.


>
>> Since you boast about selling "complete systems", I'd be willing to
>> bet you provided smoke alarms [to ELK M1G clients]...
>
> You're wrong some more.  But then, we're used to that.

Then you *don't* sell complete systems...


>
>> I note you're also selling non-cross-listed 2 wire smokes
>> (Napco Firewolf) with DSC and Ademco panels...
>
> Once again you're wrong.  I recommend System Sensor smokes for all
> Honeywell panels.

As long as they're four wire smokes, compatibility isn't an issue, is
it?  Of all the smoke detectors you list though, only one two wire unit
is compatible (and it's not even on the Ademco page).  Of course, if
"Napco" says their Firewolf 2-wire smoke is compatible then it must be
so...  Heh!


> They're listed for the purpose (unlike the idiotic
> relay you recommended using to connect 110VAC smokes to low voltage
> alarm systems).

What "idiotic relay" would that be??  Care to post the Google?  I think
you'll find that in our numerous "discussions" regarding the
interconnection of AC smoke alarms to a security control panel, I've
always recommended the correct relay.  I've also cited the applicable
section of NFPA which allows this.  You, OTOH, have repeatedly been
caught "short" making vague and insubstantial arguments about how it's
"against code", etc.  You continue to have all the bombast of a buffoon.


> They also happen to come from the same distributor which
> saves clients a bit on shipping costs.

I'm sure.


>
> I sell lots of Napco smokes to DIY clients who install their own Napco
> systems.  I also have a couple of small dealer clients who order 30 to
> 40 Napco smokes every few weeks.

Yes, I'm sure.  And I'm also sure "Napco" says it's alright to install
their smokes on any panel *they* say.


>
>> You even list the Napco Firewolf as a "DSC Smoke Detector" (the
>> furthest thing from the truth I've ever seen) on your kludge site.
>
> I don't list Napco smokes as "DSC Smoke Detectors."

Oh??  I actually expected you to respond this way.  It's quite obvious
you DON'T know what you list on your own site...  Tsk!



> I do include them
> on the same pages as several DSC panels though.  Napco lists the FW-2
> for use with the following DSC panels: PC1555, PC4020CF, PC5010, PC5020,
> UA000, PC4701, PC5010 and PC5020.  If you ever actually installed any of
> this stuff you would know that.

If *you* knew anything about cross listing you'd know it's the *panel*
manufacturer that specifies which smoke detectors are compatible, not
the other way around.  So much for your much vaunted "expertise".


>
>
> However, speaking of "furthest things from the truth" on websites, I get
> a kick out of the way you "thank" manufacturers and trade associations
> for material you stole from their websites.

What material have I "stolen"?  And what's wrong with acknowledging the
contributions various organizations have made for the betterment of our
industry.  For all your "belly-aching" (and bally-hooing), I haven't
received a single complaint or request to have *any* link or image
removed (other than the bogus complaint from the "Boinks" guy).  You,
OTOH have run afoul of several manufacturers, haven't you?


>
>> If you're going to question someone's morals and ethics, I'd suggest
>> you take a good long look in the mirror first.
>
> I do that every day and I see a person trying to do the right thing.
> You, OTOH, see a person who hasn't tried to do anything useful, helpful
> or honest in your entire, miserable life.

That just proves that you don't know me at all.



>> And some poor family will burn to death after having installed a
>> non-UL listed fire alarm panel...
>
> The accusation might sting if there had been a shred of truth in your
> reasons for making the claim.

According to you, you sold "100's" of ELK M1Gold panels *before* they
were UL Listed for fire.  You also claim you only sell "complete"
security packages that always include fire detectors.  What's the
matter?  Is either of the above not true?

Did you post a warning on your website that the M1Gold *wasn't* UL
Listed for fire??  No.  You were so eager to "make a mark" (and a buck)
you took on a product that you (a) knew nothing about (with the
exception of what was in the sales literature and manuals) and had never
installed or serviced, (b) was released while the UL listing was still
"pending".  I consider the latter to be the most irresponsible thing a
vendor can do.


> Of course, like every one of the
> thousands of flames you've posted, there's not even a distant cousin of
> the truth.

I've backed everything I've said about you (that you incorrectly call "a
flame") with a verifiable reference (usually posted from your own
keyboard).  What have you managed?  Innuendo, lies, and nonsense you
"invent" in your own twisted mind, and sometimes post as being from
anonymous third parties known only to yourself.

Why not go back to ignoring me, Robert?  It's quite obvious you're ill
equipped to engage in any meaningful dialogue that doesn't involve
responding with more innuendo, lies, and nonsense.