Re: Need for pool

["Robert L Bass" <RobertLBass@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Frank Olson" wrote:
>
>> Wrong as usual, Olson.  I never advertised the M1G home automation system
>> as being appropriate for fire alarm until it received the UL listing.
>
> Did you actually come out and say so?

Yep.

> How many of your clients (after reviewing the installation
> instructions which detail the proper hookups) actually went
> ahead and installed fire detectors on their systems?

None that I know of.  During the first year or so of the ELK-M1G we didn't
sell that many of them.

> Hint:  They're the ones that bought the "complete package" from you.

Hint: You have no idea who buys what from me.

>>> Since you boast about selling "complete systems", I'd be willing to bet
>>> you provided smoke alarms [to ELK M1G clients]...
>>
>> You're wrong some more.  But then, we're used to that.
>
> Then you *don't* sell complete systems...

You're wrong.  I didn't sell smokes with M1G panels until they received the UL
fire listing.

>>> I note you're also selling non-cross-listed 2 wire smokes
>>> (Napco Firewolf) with DSC and Ademco panels...
>>
>> Once again you're wrong.  I recommend System Sensor smokes for all
>> Honeywell panels.
>
> As long as they're four wire smokes, compatibility isn't an issue, is it?
> Of all the smoke detectors you list though, only one two wire unit is
> compatible (and it's not even on the Ademco page).  Of course, if "Napco"
> says their Firewolf 2-wire smoke is compatible then it must be so...  Heh!

Why would the FW2 be on the Ademco page?  It's a Napco product.  It is indeed
listed for use with the DSC systems (remember, that's what you complained
about in this thread).  You don't even know that the Napco Fw2 is listed for
use with the DSC products yet you flame me for offering them together.

Hint: Learn something about this business other than how to be a counter
clerk.  Then you can post with knowledge as well as hatred.  You'll only look
like a jerk then.  When you post with nothing but hatred you just look like a
stupid jerk.

>> They're listed for the purpose (unlike the idiotic relay you recommended
>> using to connect 110VAC smokes to low voltage alarm systems).
>
> What "idiotic relay" would that be??  Care to post the Google?

You know exactly what I'm speaking about.  You also ought to know (but don't)
that it's a violation to use it.

>> They also happen to come from the same distributor which saves clients a
>> bit on shipping costs.
>
> I'm sure.

You would know if you had a clue.

>> I sell lots of Napco smokes to DIY clients who install their own Napco
>> systems.  I also have a couple of small dealer clients who order 30 to 40
>> Napco smokes every few weeks.
>
> Yes, I'm sure.  And I'm also sure "Napco" says it's alright to install their
> smokes on any panel *they* say.

Napco says the smokes are listed for use with specific panels, including the
ones you flamed me for offering them with.  Try to wiggle out of looking like
an idiot (again).

>>> You even list the Napco Firewolf as a "DSC Smoke Detector" (the furthest
>>> thing from the truth I've ever seen) on your kludge site.
>>
>> I don't list Napco smokes as "DSC Smoke Detectors."
>
> Oh??  I actually expected you to respond this way.  It's quite obvious you
> DON'T know what you list on your own site...  Tsk!

I put them there.  They are listed on my site as Napco smokes.  After all,
Napco does make them.  But please go on, trying to change the subject rather
than admit how ignorant you were to post this flame in the first place.

>> I do include them on the same pages as several DSC panels though.  Napco
>> lists the FW-2 for use with the following DSC panels: PC1555, PC4020CF,
>> PC5010, PC5020, UA000, PC4701, PC5010 and PC5020.  If you ever actually
>> installed any of this stuff you would know that.
>
> If *you* knew anything about cross listing you'd know it's the *panel*
> manufacturer that specifies which smoke detectors are compatible, not the
> other way around.  So much for your much vaunted "expertise".

Once again you demonstrate your complete ignorance of the industry.  Panel
manufacturers and/or detector manufacturers are free to test and list their
products for compatibility.  They all do so.  Take a look at the listings for
newer System Sensor smokes with older panels.  The panel manufacturers will
list the panels for popular smokes being made at the time the panels are
created.  Smoke manufacturers routinely test and list their new products with
existing panels.  Again, if you actually worked with this stuff instead of
being a counter clerk you'd certainly know this.  Why, everyone here (except
Jiminex and Cracker) know it.

>> However, speaking of "furthest things from the truth" on websites, I get a
>> kick out of the way you "thank" manufacturers and trade associations for
>> material you stole from their websites.
>
> What material have I "stolen"?  And what's wrong with acknowledging the
> contributions various organizations have made for the betterment of our
> industry.

You "thanked" them for supporting your website.  They didn't participate at
all.   You lied, attempting to make your site seem legitimate.  By the way,
Google gives you a page rank of "0" (you know, same as your experience level).
Nice lknowing how important your website is, isn't it.  :^)

> For all your "belly-aching" (and bally-hooing), I haven't received a single
> complaint or request to have *any* link or image removed (other than the
> bogus complaint from the "Boinks" guy).

Bogus?  They ordered you to remove stolen material from your website.  You
promptly removed it and THEN posted here how it never was there in the first
place.  What a moron.

> You, OTOH have run afoul of several manufacturers, haven't you?

Yep.  There are two companies which asked me not to sell their products online
because other dealers complained that they can't compete with my prices.


>>> If you're going to question someone's morals and ethics, I'd suggest you
>>> take a good long look in the mirror first.
>>
>> I do that every day and I see a person trying to do the right thing.  You,
>> OTOH, see a person who hasn't tried to do anything useful, helpful or
>> honest in your entire, miserable life.
>
> That just proves that you don't know me at all.

You and I both know what a liar you are.  Both of us know you never did any of
the bullshit stuff you claimed with airplanes, ladders, etc.  Both of us know
you lied about calling ADI.  Both of us know you lie all the time.  You don't
even fool the IB -- they know it too.

>>> And some poor family will burn to death after having installed a non-UL
>>> listed fire alarm panel...
>>
>> The accusation might sting if there had been a shred of truth in your
>> reasons for making the claim.
>
> According to you, you sold "100's" of ELK M1Gold panels *before* they were
> UL Listed for fire.  You also claim you only sell "complete" security
> packages that always include fire detectors.  What's the matter?  Is either
> of the above not true?

You're lying again.  I never said that I sell only complete systems online.  I
do indeed sell complete systems -- lots of them.  But I also sell just a panel
if that's what the client wants.  Some people order a few components.  The
best sales though, are government orders.  Those often run into tens of
thousands of dollars.

Hmm.  While we're on the subject, remember when you lied saying I don't even
have a DUNS or a CCR registration?  Wrong again.

> Did you post a warning on your website that the M1Gold *wasn't* UL Listed
> for fire??  No.

No one *ever* ordered an M1G system from us without calling first.  The panel
was sold with the notice clearly printed, "UL pending".  That information was
on my website and on the documentation from ELK.  You chose to ignore it when
you first tried that flame.  It's the same as the current one about Napco
smokes and DSC panels.  You blast me for selling them together but you don't
even know that they are listed for use together.  Then you flame about who
does the listing but you don't know that *any* manufacturer can test and list
its products for use with any other company's listed products.  Some expert.
Phbbt.

> You were so eager to "make a mark" (and a buck) you took on a product that
> you (a) knew nothing about (with the exception of what was in the sales
> literature and manuals) and had never installed or serviced, (b) was
> released while the UL listing was still "pending".  I consider the latter to
> be the most irresponsible thing a vendor can do.

Wrong again (as usual).  I bought a complete ELK-M1G when they first came out
just so I could work learn the ins and outs of the system prior to offering it
for sale.  With simpler systems I don't always need to do that but the ELK-M1G
is so far ahead of most other panels and much more complex.

Now that you mention it though, I recall you claimed to have experience using
them.  I asked ELK and they never heard of you.  Furthermore, at the time they
said they had no distribution channel in or near Vancouver, BC.  As usual, you
were lying.

>> Of course, like every one of the thousands of flames you've posted, there's
>> not even a distant cousin of the truth.
>
> I've backed everything I've said about you (that you incorrectly call "a
> flame") with a verifiable reference (usually posted from your own
> keyboard)...

You've misquoted, misled, obfuscated, conjured and outright lied for years.

> What have you managed?

I manage a moderately successful online business, currently selling nearly
$250K a month in security, home automation and custom electronics parts and
systems.  I manage to do so without making up fantastic stories of "borrowing"
a Boeing 737 and snap-rolling it.  I mange to do so without making up stories
about levitating ladders, 50,000 volt shocks and other assorted, idiotic lies
you regularly tell.  I manage my online business despite your repeated
attempts to interfere with my suppliers.  I managed a small, "brick and
mortar" alarm company with our own central station for decades while you were
flipping burgers or pumping 'tane.

> Why not go back to ignoring me, Robert?

I usually do.  I re-installed my newsreader and neglected to set the filters.
Bye for now, moron.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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