Re: Need for pool

["Robert L Bass" <RobertLBass@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Frank Olson" <use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:G6p2k.11897$C12.5083@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Robert L Bass wrote:
>
>> Since when did you develop a conscience?  Regardless, the is nothing
>> ethically or morally wrong with providing a device which has the capability
>> of warning homeowners that their child has opened the door leadinjg to the
>> pool.  On the contrary, refusing to do so because you fear for your own
>> financial well-being smacks of greed wrapping itself in the cloth of
>> morality.
>
> OTOH, there *is* something both ethically and morally wrong with selling an
> alarm/home automation panel that *isn't* UL Listed for fire (which *you* did
> for over eight months while Elk's M1Gold was pending)...

Wrong as usual, Olson.  I never advertised the M1G home automation system as
being appropriate for fire alarm until it received the UL listing.

> Since you boast about selling "complete systems", I'd be willing to bet you
> provided smoke alarms [to ELK M1G clients]...

You're wrong some more.  But then, we're used to that.

> I note you're also selling non-cross-listed 2 wire smokes
> (Napco Firewolf) with DSC and Ademco panels...

Once again you're wrong.  I recommend System Sensor smokes for all Honeywell
panels.  They're listed for the purpose (unlike the idiotic relay you
recommended using to connect 110VAC smokes to low voltage alarm systems).
They also happen to come from the same distributor which saves clients a bit
on shipping costs.

I sell lots of Napco smokes to DIY clients who install their own Napco
systems.  I also have a couple of small dealer clients who order 30 to 40
Napco smokes every few weeks.

> You even list the Napco Firewolf as a "DSC Smoke Detector" (the furthest
> thing from the truth I've ever seen) on your kludge site.

I don't list Napco smokes as "DSC Smoke Detectors."  I do include them on the
same pages as several DSC panels though.  Napco lists the FW-2 for use with
the following DSC panels: PC1555, PC4020CF, PC5010, PC5020, UA000, PC4701,
PC5010 and PC5020.  If you ever actually installed any of this stuff you would
know that.


However, speaking of "furthest things from the truth" on websites, I get a
kick out of the way you "thank" manufacturers and trade associations for
material you stole from their websites.

> If you're going to question someone's morals and ethics, I'd suggest you
> take a good long look in the mirror first.

I do that every day and I see a person trying to do the right thing.  You,
OTOH, see a person who hasn't tried to do anything useful, helpful or honest
in your entire, miserable life.

>> I know that there are people who disable them.  However, every person who
>> actually uses the things provides a measure of protection that would not
>> otherwise exist.  It is far more likely that child will drown because
>> someone like you refuses to provide protection than because someone else
>> offers a state approved and UL-listed form of protection.
>
> And some poor family will burn to death after having installed a non-UL
> listed fire alarm panel...

The accusation might sting if there had been a shred of truth in your reasons
for making the claim.  Of course, like every one of the thousands of flames
you've posted, there's not even a distant cousin of the truth.  But don't let
that stop you from posting.  It never has yet.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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