Re: Church told to hang own fire panel

["Robert L Bass" <no-sales-spam@bassburglaralarms>]

"JoeRaisin" <joeraisin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:w1M4i.52$4b4.0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Robert L Bass wrote:
>>>>>>You go to Radio Shack?
>>>>
>>>>That explains a lot.
>>>
>>>Like I know where to go to find resistors or diodes?
>>
>>
>> Take it easy, Joe.  I'm just having a little fun with you.
>>
>>
>>>They are things that go in electronic circuits...
>>>never mind... probably beyond you...
>>
>>
>> You figure?
>>
>>
>>>>You learned your trade at Radio Shack?
>>>
>>>No.  But if I were an DIY and ran across a
>>>term such as "discharge test" and saw that
>>>I needed to do it to complete an inspection
>>>the web site guy told me I would have no
>>>problem taking care of on my own then the that is a likely place to go.
>>
>>
>> That's a lot of "ifs," Joe.  If you were a DIYer
>> and you ran across a term like "discharge
>> test" and didn't know whay it meant, you'd
>> ask the company that supplied the hardware.
>> That's what my customers do.
>>
>> I frequently field calls from customers whose
>> systems were professionally installed.  Most
>> of the questions have to do with how to
>> reset a trouble condition.  Presumably, they
>> have not been properly instructed in the use
>> and care of thewir systems by the dealers.
>>
>> Those calls are so common that we have to
>> shut off the phones at night just to get some
>> rest.  OTOH, I almost never get that kind of
>> call from a DIYer, presumably because they
>> understand their systems better than
>> customers of paid installers.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>The Fire Marshall around here just loves finding
>>>>>>>inspection forms with "self" entered under "Service
>>>>>>>Organization"... oh wait, he never has...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmm.  Which is it?  Does he love it or hasn't
>>>>>>he ever seen it?  Oh, wait.  You were kidding.
>>>>>>About the entire post or just this?
>>>>
>>>>No reply, eh?
>>>
>>>Seemed rhetorical...
>>
>>
>> No, it was a valid question.  You tried to prove a
>> point by saying that some official regularly agrees
>> with you.  In the next breath you admit he never
>> does.  So which is it?  Does he regularly agree
>> with you or has the subject never come up?  You
>> made the contradictory claims.  Please explain.
>>
>>
>>>Unlike you, I don't make comments or invent
>>>stories just to get reactions...
>>
>>
>> Well. you say that but clearly that is what you
>> just did.  Or was the story rhetorical?  Oh, wait.
>> There's no such thing.  Perhaps it was an allegory.
>>
>>
>>>so your question didn't appear to require an answer since it is obvious to everyone else
>>>that the sarcasm was meant for that paragraph.
>>
>>
>> Nice dodge but you still have not answered.  Does
>> the FM always agree with you or has it never
>> happened?  I'm only trying to understand what it is
>> you're saying.  The question is simple and so should
>> the answer be.  There's no need to turn it into
>> personal insults.
>>
>
> You started it with your denigration of
> Radio Shack...

Oh, come now, Joe.  That's ridiculous.

> - which I still contend is a good place to
> pick up a component or two when you
> are in a hurry and where most average
> people would go whn presented with questions like this...

Let's see if I understand what you're saying.
A DIYer buys an alarm from an online
company.  He reads something in the
manuals that he doesn't understand.  His
first stop is Radio Shack???????
That's pretty silly, don't you think?

> And no you weren't trying to have a little fun.

OK, I apologize for having fun.  I won't let
it happen again.  [snerk]

> You are historically rude and belittling to
> anyone who disagrees with you...

Sorry you feel that way.  Is that why you
turned to insults or was it really because
you don't have an answer?

> Once again, you are being obtuse.

I thought I was being acute.

> Do you understand what sarcasm is?
> The comment was sarcasm since anyone
> trying to pass off a self inspection around
> here would get cited and told to call a
> professional.

Which comment -- the one where you
said the inspector agrees with you every
time this happens or the one where you
said it never happens?

> There is a valid reason that inspections
> are done by third party.

Actually, most fire alarm contracts have the
same company that installed the systrem
doing the routine inspection and testing.
That brings to mind an interesting case I
dealt with some years ago in CT.  We were
called to install a burglar alarm in an old
foundry building in Hartford.  After the job
was done the owner asked me to look at
the fire alarm system (a very old system
long ago taken over by ADT).  There was
a relatively new FACP which ADT had
attached to the client's hardware.  It
was working but there were trouble lights
on and the trouble silence was engaged.
The customer said it had been that way
for months, that ADT had visited but not
resolved it.

I found numerous components permanently
shut out, including several waterflows, pull
stations, valve tamper sensors, etc.  About
half of the system was not working at all.

I prepared a written report of my findings for
the customer and sent a copy to the fire
marshal.  The customer contacted ADT and
they sent out a salesman who offered to
repair everything for several thousand
dollars.

Ths customer told me that ADT was charging
them over $100 a month for monitoring,
inspection and maintenance of this basically
inoperable system.

This was a system that had been routinely
inspected by the largest alarm company in
the business.  I'm pretty certain that any of
my DIY customers could have done a better
job.

Note:  The local ADT branch in that area
had a reputation for doing work almost as bad
as Sonitrash.  Most of the others I've run across
are much better.

> I don't expect that you will ever admit that
> you are wrong on this one...

Of course not.  I'm right and you know it.

> so, having said what I wanted to say I shall
> stop now.  I used to enjoy news group
> sparring but lately it is just tedious...

Just because we disagree (and you're wrong)
don't get discouraged.  You've been wrong
before and survived.  :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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