Re: 3 Wire Smokes?

["FIRETEK" <firetech(change-the-ch-to-k)@telus.net>]

"Robert L Bass" <no-sales-spam@bassburglaralarms> wrote in message
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> > That depends on whether or not the
> > system activates early enough to
> > prevent an actual flame from developing.
>
> It's still not preventing fire.
>
> >> I would say the percentage is less
> >> than that of burglaries which a
> >> burglar alarm prevents.
> >
> > Does a burglar alarm actually "prevent"
> > a burglary?
>
> Occasionally, yes.

Sure.


>
> > If you believe in the "hype" that's frequently
> > presented in radio advertisements, perhaps.
>
> I don't believe the BS ads from ADT, Brinks,
> etc.

Yet you expect us to believe the "BS" you spout in here almost daily?


>  However, we all know of cases where the
> thief left without entering because the alarm
> sounded.

That might be the prudent choice, Bass.  I'd also suggest not removing your
mask until you're well away from the house because some homeowners employ
CCTV systems as well.


>  There exists statistical evidence
> as well which suggests that some thieves
> try to select homes without alarms.

Yes, of course there is.  AlarmForce even has a case study available on
their website.  I'm not inclined to believe a convicted felon about what
burglar alarm providers he "avoids" just as I'm not inclined to believe you.
Convicted felons are the biggest bullshit artists.


> > If *you* say it often enough, maybe...
>
> I've probably mentioned it here before but
> not often.  In fact, I consider many professional
> alarm installations inadequate at best.

And I consider your contribution to this group as a whole "inadequate at
best".


>
> > Most of us take steps beyond the
> > installation of a burglar alarm, though.
>
> Yes.  You *walk* to your van, drive off and
> *run* to the bank with the first RMR check.

I've no idea what you're nattering on about.  I'm not involved in collecting
"RMR".  I don't install, service, or monitor burglar alarm systems.


>
> > You just sell "parts" so you
> > wouldn't be aware of all this.
>
> My average system sale is far more
> comprehensive than anything someone like
> you is likely to install.

That's actually the first thing you've written here that has an "ounce" of
truth because I don't install burglar alarms.  I work with fire alarm,
access control, and CCTV systems (mostly in multi-residential and commercial
high rise buildings).


>
> >> Think about it for a minute
> >> (Cracker will need several days).  It's safe to
> >> say that some thieves decide not to burglarise
> >> a particular place because there's an alarm.
> >> A certain percentage stop and retreat upon
> >> hearing the alarm.
> >>
> >> Fire neither knows nor cares if there's an
> >> alarm.  It consumes whatever it can,
> >> regardless of the existence or activation of
> >> a fire alarm.
> >
> > Not necessarily.  If you can prevent a fire
> > from developing into a full fledged
> > conflagration (through early detection),
> > then you'll minimize the damge to property
> > and the risk to life.
>
> It would be very nice if most professional
> fire alarms would do that.

You mean the ones your customers install don't?  Perhaps if you were more
familiar with fire alarm system design and function, you might be able to
suggest better equipment.  I'd suggest a NICET course (or two) might be in
order.


>
> >> Certainly suppression systems can well,
> >> suppress a fire but in most cases the
> >> suppression system activates the fire alarm
> >> -- not the other way around.  Even an Ansul
> >> system is usually activated by heat rather
> >> than an alarm system.
> >
> > Then you know nothing about the fixed
> > supupression systems that employ
> > agents lilke Halon 1301, CO2...
>
> Wrong again (as usual).  Those are the
> exception.  *Most* fire alarm installations
> do not include automatic release of anything
> but the interior door holders.

The subject to which you responded was "fire prevention" (and more
specifically "fire prevention companies" which you stated "didn't exist").
Perhaps if you weren't so interested in one-up-man-ship, you could focus
better.


> If you have detected a fire you have not prevented it.  You may be able to
deal with it sooner but you have not prevented a fire.
> Perhaps a remedial reading course would help you out.

If you detect a fire in it's early stages, then you can do something about
preventing it's spread.  Perhaps a remedial reading and fire alarm course
would help you out.