Re: Problem With ADT System - Need Advice

["pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx>]

Hey thanks,
Im not advertizing, I just watching them beat their heads against the wall
for really no reason...

Thanks though...


"Russell Brill" <russwbrill@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> You forgot Thunder Storms :-))
>
> Bad weather seems to neutralize Sonitrol's effectiveness, most of the
> burglars around here are aware of the weakness, so are some former
> Sonitrol customers.
>
> I've set up commercial customers for Monitoring & Private response
> services at a lower rate than what Sonitrol charges to just monitor. Pyro,
> you may want to find another group to feed the ad campaign to, no body
> here is swallowing :-))
>
> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:45a63cde$0$5202$4c368faf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Ok, lets start slowly for you...
>> Okay I will.
>> Step one. Get a big battery.
>> Step two. Get a big loud horn.
>> Step three. Get wire.
>> Step four. Pick spot to burglarize with Sonitrol Listen-in System.
>> Step five. Wire battery to horn. Place at front door of target.
>> Step six. Toss rock through window.
>> Step seven. Wait until cental station operator has time to hear and
>> ignore signals.
>> Step eight. Rape, pillage and plunder at will.
>> Around here even the lamest burglar knows this trick, so do customers. So
>> no one uses Sonitrol with that feature much, even Sonitrol. They've gone
>> "conventional" for the most part. All the listen in type systems I see
>> are either disconnected or abandon.
>> If you use that stuff still and want to pay for it I'll post a message at
>> the alarm parts house. I am sure you'd have plenty of used gear in short
>> order.
>>
>> "pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> Ok, lets start slowly for you...
>>>
>>> Your right Sonitrol is a "listen in technology" that offers "Alarm
>>> verification" and as far the Police are concerned this makes the call
>>> from a Sonitrol central station a higher priority than if your or any
>>> other alarm company called them. This is per the Police departments SOP
>>> nor Sonitrol's.
>>>
>>> Your Hitler comment is embarrassing... yes, to you.
>>>
>>> All alarm companies  have misses,  life sucks. We are the only company
>>> (please enlighten me if there is another) that if we miss we offer our
>>> client up to $5000 in compensation. Not a lot (considering what they
>>> might have lost) but I believe ADT offer the second highest which is
>>> $500. What we can offer is documented proof of over 156,000
>>> apprehensions the Police have made because of our system. No other alarm
>>> company to my knowledge (including ADT) track this figure.
>>>
>>> Lets see, you said "Do you or does anyone really want some central
>>> station operator making a decision about your life and property only by
>>> what he or she hears?" Well actually you do and consider three things...
>>>
>>> 1) What the central operator is listening to is the perimeter of your
>>> business or home. What that mean is we have advanced notice of the break
>>> in. What that means is that Sonitrol has the capability of calling the
>>> Police... ok are your ready...BEFORE THE BAD GUY GET'S IN.
>>> 2) Ok... If I had to rely on something "making a decision about my life
>>> and property" I would probably want to rely on a technology that allows
>>> for someone to evaluate the occurrence and that the POLICE DEEM A
>>> PRIORITY,  as oppose to technology where the only interaction is a
>>> central station operator being notified that a door contact or a motion
>>> detector has gone off (Oh yeah, per Police department door contacts and
>>> motion detectors false over 90% of the time.).
>>> 3) Whether you like it or not or personally agree with it or not as far
>>> as the Police are concerned their SOP on call priorities are Police
>>> officer in trouble, armed robbery and "VERIFIED" burglar alarm.
>>> Reacting to a Non Verified alarm is 7th on the list.
>>>
>>> Sonitrol has been in business for over 30 years I am not sure how long
>>> MGI had been around. Sonitrol is Nation Wide with location in Canada
>>> and Europe. Sonitrol is the 4th largest Alarm company in the country...
>>> and only because only about 25% of our business is residential. We are a
>>> Commercial Security Provider.
>>>
>>> Ahh excellent statement about the insurance companies. We live in a
>>> political world. Without politics by now whatever municipality your
>>> alarm company exists in the police would be requiring you offer them
>>> "Verified Notification" of a break in or else they WOULD NOT RESPOND.
>>>
>>> Ok, but let's be fair and "unbunch your panties... Everybody make
>>> mistakes traditional systems, Sonitrol even the Police make mistakes...
>>> nobody is perfect. But come on throw me a bone... The traditional door
>>> contact / motion detector systems are a 50+ year old technology. There
>>> is really better stuff out there... the problem... the technology
>>> (Sonitrol's) is proprietary and Sonitrol limits it's franchises. So ya
>>> want poke hold is the Sonitrol system.... go ahead. Maybe you feel it
>>> take attention away from the multiple inadequacies and real limitations
>>> of your system. You know the Motorola "Brick Phone" was by far one of
>>> the best phone for it time and quite frankly if you still own one, pound
>>> for pound it a great phone... but that technology as good as it was is
>>> just "outdated" and although the phone may work (actually is wont
>>> because it is not digital) why would you want to use it when more modern
>>> phones (that have their limitation as well) offer some much more
>>> reliability.
>>>
>>> So try not to be so closede minded ... especially since Sonitrol
>>> probabally did not allow you to sell ther product line.
>>>
>>> Again we are the better solution... Sonitrol Security... call for a
>>> presentation and evaluate for yourself.
>>>
>>> Mention Pyro and I'll get back to you..
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:45a5c381$0$5184$4c368faf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >There is a better solution... Sonitrol Security... call for a
>>>> >presentation and evaluate for yourself
>>>>
>>>> Sonitrol is nothing more than a type of listen in technology. That kind
>>>> of technology is great for alarm verification and little else.
>>>> Listening to Sonitrol Security success stories is like listening to
>>>> someone talk about all the good things that Hitler did. Why don't you
>>>> include how many missed break-ins and law suits they have? Do you or
>>>> does anyone really want some central station operator making a decision
>>>> about your life and property only by what he or she hears? I was at a
>>>> high profile soft drink manufacturer today listening to how proud the
>>>> customer was of us because she saw in the local news where our system
>>>> caught the bad guy at a nearby arena major events venue. Lots of folks
>>>> posting here have similar success stories to tell. In our case it
>>>> wouldn't have happened that way using Sonitrol, and I bet the others
>>>> here would say the same thing. I can tell you for certain after using
>>>> MGI and other now defunct manufacturers of similar product that it
>>>> isn't what you seem to think it is. If it was every insurance company
>>>> out there would be getting their customers to use it and making a ton
>>>> of money from reduced loses.
>>>>
>>>> You're almost right though in your statement. Let me help you.
>>>>>There is a better solution... Sonitrol Pornography... call for a
>>>>>special presentation and ejaculate yourself.
>>>>
>>>> "pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>> Hey I can expect these kinds of responses. You can't do what Sonitol
>>>>> does because your technology is limited and antiquated. I have seen
>>>>> multiple complaints that's say ADT installed their system and it did
>>>>> not work properly, so they brought in Bay to Monitor and they did not
>>>>> work out, so then they brought in Post, same problems. It does not
>>>>> take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is  not the  "monitoring
>>>>> company" that is at fault, it is the system / technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got a buddy that works for ADT, I know exactly what they say about
>>>>> the product. You have to get a competitive edge. A traditional systems
>>>>> ONLY advantage is that everyone  (or just about everyone) sell the
>>>>> same crap. Therefore the customer has know where to go and eventually
>>>>> excepts what they got... OR they switch companies, feel better for a
>>>>> while... and the cycle starts again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all system have failure rates. Nobody is perfect. You say you see
>>>>> Sonitrol Systems in abandon buildings, and you also see ADT,
>>>>> Honeywell, Bay, Post and a hundred other small and pop shops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, by the way... who is Robert Bass and why does he or anybody else
>>>>> think he is so smart? He sounds like the typical old consultant type
>>>>> trying to hang on the only technology he possess and makes every
>>>>> excuse in the book for why it dose not work except for the relevant
>>>>> excuse. The technology never worked well...ever but is was the only
>>>>> available option.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a better solution... Sonitrol Security... call for a
>>>>> presentation and evaluate for yourself
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> pyro wrote:
>>>>>>> Want to really fix the on going issue??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drop ADT or any system that is motion detector based. The problem is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> technology not the company. Go wih Sonitrol Security. No motion
>>>>>>> detectors
>>>>>>> and their system has a variety of other advantages all based on
>>>>>>> thier
>>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> You WERE replying on the subject regarding the lowest member of the
>>>>>> evolutionary scale .... weren't you?
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