Re: Wire prices

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am far more worried about the urinal. Please hurry with your invention.
The thought of accidental electro-cauterizing prostate and bladder surgery
scares me.

"Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I'm working on a device to ground the water coming out of the shower
> faucet...better safe than sorry.
>
>
> "alarman" <alarman2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ol2kh.3431$sp7.2927@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | Funny you should mention that. That very thing happened to Mark Leuck's
> | uncle. The shock didn't kill him, but he fell and hit his head on a
> Moose
> | Z-1100 that happened to be nearby. Now if that box had been grounded,
> | well.....who knows??
> | js
> |
> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | news:45908bd8$0$25781$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > For ceiling fixtures like ceiling fans, just in case you grab onto a
> fan
> | > blade when you get out of the shower and have a ground wire tangled
> around
> | > your feet.
> | >
> | >
> | > "alarman" <alarman2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > news:mEBjh.168876$HO4.86294@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | Probably, but there are still a lot of the old ones out there.
> | > |
> | > | You're not grounding the box of course, it's just a terminal to land
> the
> | > | ground wire, and maybe do some good in certain circumstances. I
> haven't
> | > seen
> | > | in on the single gang boxes, but the round ones have it. Must be a
> | > lighting
> | > | fixture thing. I've seen that skinny little ground tail on the
> fixture
> | > break
> | > | off, or even slip out of the wire nut.
> | > |
> | > | js
> | > |
> | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | news:458ee1eb$0$25782$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > In which case grounding the box will still make no sense...better
> to
> | > | > replace
> | > | > the old device with a grounding lug...they cost under a buck for
> the
> | > cheap
> | > | > ones... under 2 bucks for the good ones.
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > "alarman" <alarman2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > news:PBhjh.26617$uX4.8944@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | Maybe in case you have an older switch without a ground lug, or
> a
> | > | > fixture
> | > | > | with a broken or missing grounding tail. Redundancy?
> | > | > | js
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message
> | > | > | news:458d9046$0$510$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > You guys are missing the point. The device (switch/outlet) is
> | > already
> | > | > | > grounded by the ground wire from the supply line. Unless, they
> use
> | > | > very
> | > | > | > different wire in Canada...why would you want to connect a
> plastic
> | > box
> | > | > to
> | > | > | > the ground??? The device is grounded, the box is plastic, the
> | > cover
> | > | > plate
> | > | > | > is
> | > | > | > plastic...what exactly are you grounding ???
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "Doug" <not@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:jYcjh.1381$923.280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > |I imagine the purpose isn't to "ground" the box, but to try
> to
> | > ensure
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > | ground is passed through to the device being mounted on the
> box.
> | > The
> | > | > | > ground
> | > | > | > | lug appears to be tied to the device mounting screw sockets,
> any
> | > | > device
> | > | > | > | mounted to the box will be grounded. It may also be to try
> to
> | > ensure
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > | ground continuity to devices further down the circuit, who
> | > knows,
> | > | > but
> | > | > a
> | > | > | > | quick google seems to confirm that it is a requirement of
> the
> | > | > Canadian
> | > | > | > | Electrical Code.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | This is from a document on Carlon's website.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Canadian Applications: Per Canadian electric code, a
> separate
> | > | > bonding
> | > | > | > | connection is required in nonmetallic electrical boxes.
> Utilize
> | > | > | > Grounding
> | > | > | > | Lug (Fig. 11) and green Ground Screw provided with Yoke.
> | > | > | > | http://www.carlon.com/Installation_Training/IT-IS125.pdf
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Doug
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> | > message
> | > | > | > | news:458d50a5$0$500$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > uh, ok...enlighten me how grounding a PLASTIC box (or any
> | > other
> | > | > | > | > non-conducting object) will protect me (or) you from being
> | > zapped.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > news:o32jh.45752$kY5.484656@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > | you never took time to understand why there are so much
> law
> | > for
> | > | > | > | > electrical
> | > | > | > | > | wiring..
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | all of this is to protect you,and everyone else of being
> | > zapped
> | > | > by
> | > | > a
> | > | > | > | > faulty
> | > | > | > | > | electric device....
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit
> | > dans
> | > le
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> | > | > | > | > de
> | > | > | > | > | news: 458b7296$0$25782$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > | >I saw I read, never see anything like that
> before....and
> I
> | > | > still
> | > | > | > think
> | > | > | > | > it's
> | > | > | > | > | > silly.
> | > | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > | > "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > | > news:MEIih.30937$kY5.154884@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > | > |
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> http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes%20and%20Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf
> | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | go read
> | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a
> écrit
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> | > | > | > | > | > | news: 458b3ee0$0$3574$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > | > | > all that stuff is already grounded, to ground a
> | > plastic
> | > | > box
> | > | > is
> | > | > | > | > just
> | > | > | > | > | > plain
> | > | > | > | > | > | > silly.
> | > | > | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > | > | > "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > | > | >
> news:Panih.124026$_n2.1042548@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,you
> need
> | > to
> | > | > put
> | > | > a
> | > | > | > | > ground
> | > | > | > | > | > in
> | > | > | > | > | > | > the
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | grounding lug...
> | > | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | you must be asking why, a so crazy thing..
> | > | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | its because,even if you use plastic box the
> ground
> | > wire
> | > | > need
> | > | > | > to
> | > | > | > | > | > connect
> | > | > | > | > | > | > to
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | every metallic part of an electric system,that
> is
> | > not
> | > | > | > carrying
> | > | > | > | > | > power,so
> | > | > | > | > | > | > the
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | metal on a switch,or an electric plug,or on a
> metal
> | > | > cover
> | > | > on
> | > | > | > the
> | > | > | > | > | > plastic
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | box, they all need to be grounded,its the damn
> code
> | > that
> | > | > say
> | > | > | > it
> | > | > | > | > | > must,so
> | > | > | > | > | > | > by
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | putting a ground lug,that connects to the hole
> where
> | > you
> | > | > | > screw
> | > | > | > | > your
> | > | > | > | > | > | > device
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | or plate on the plastic box you respect the
> code,the
> | > | > ground
> | > | > | > wire
> | > | > | > | > is
> | > | > | > | > | > | > there
> | > | > | > | > | > | > to
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | protect your life,not to just help copper wire
> | > company
> | > | > sell
> | > | > | > more
> | > | > | > | > | > | > wire....But
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | if its your life,just yours,not any other,I
> would
> be
> | > in
> | > | > | > favour
> | > | > | > | > of
> | > | > | > | > | > not
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | putting any ground wire to any electrical system
> | > that
> | > | > you
> | > | > | > could
> | > | > | > | > | > | > touch....
> | > | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | I you would have a minimum understanding of any
> | > | > electrical
> | > | > | > code
> | > | > | > | > you
> | > | > | > | > | > | > would
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | know that...
> | > | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | "Robert L Bass" <robertbass1@xxxxxxxxxxx> a
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> | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Grounding a plastic back box?
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | > It's another olsonism, like levitating ladders
> and
> | > | > | > | > snap-rolling
> | > | > | > | > | > 737's.
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | > He's got a million of them (they're all lies,
> of
> | > | > course).
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> | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Let me see, how did that song go?
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > | > | > | > O-l-s-o-n....
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