Re: Wire prices

["Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm working on a device to ground the water coming out of the shower
faucet...better safe than sorry.


"alarman" <alarman2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ol2kh.3431$sp7.2927@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| Funny you should mention that. That very thing happened to Mark Leuck's
| uncle. The shock didn't kill him, but he fell and hit his head on a Moose
| Z-1100 that happened to be nearby. Now if that box had been grounded,
| well.....who knows??
| js
|
| "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:45908bd8$0$25781$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > For ceiling fixtures like ceiling fans, just in case you grab onto a fan
| > blade when you get out of the shower and have a ground wire tangled
around
| > your feet.
| >
| >
| > "alarman" <alarman2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > news:mEBjh.168876$HO4.86294@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | Probably, but there are still a lot of the old ones out there.
| > |
| > | You're not grounding the box of course, it's just a terminal to land
the
| > | ground wire, and maybe do some good in certain circumstances. I
haven't
| > seen
| > | in on the single gang boxes, but the round ones have it. Must be a
| > lighting
| > | fixture thing. I've seen that skinny little ground tail on the fixture
| > break
| > | off, or even slip out of the wire nut.
| > |
| > | js
| > |
| > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | news:458ee1eb$0$25782$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > In which case grounding the box will still make no sense...better to
| > | > replace
| > | > the old device with a grounding lug...they cost under a buck for the
| > cheap
| > | > ones... under 2 bucks for the good ones.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "alarman" <alarman2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > news:PBhjh.26617$uX4.8944@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | Maybe in case you have an older switch without a ground lug, or a
| > | > fixture
| > | > | with a broken or missing grounding tail. Redundancy?
| > | > | js
| > | > |
| > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | news:458d9046$0$510$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > You guys are missing the point. The device (switch/outlet) is
| > already
| > | > | > grounded by the ground wire from the supply line. Unless, they
use
| > | > very
| > | > | > different wire in Canada...why would you want to connect a
plastic
| > box
| > | > to
| > | > | > the ground??? The device is grounded, the box is plastic, the
| > cover
| > | > plate
| > | > | > is
| > | > | > plastic...what exactly are you grounding ???
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Doug" <not@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:jYcjh.1381$923.280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > |I imagine the purpose isn't to "ground" the box, but to try to
| > ensure
| > | > the
| > | > | > | ground is passed through to the device being mounted on the
box.
| > The
| > | > | > ground
| > | > | > | lug appears to be tied to the device mounting screw sockets,
any
| > | > device
| > | > | > | mounted to the box will be grounded. It may also be to try to
| > ensure
| > | > the
| > | > | > | ground continuity to devices further down the circuit, who
| > knows,
| > | > but
| > | > a
| > | > | > | quick google seems to confirm that it is a requirement of the
| > | > Canadian
| > | > | > | Electrical Code.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | This is from a document on Carlon's website.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Canadian Applications: Per Canadian electric code, a separate
| > | > bonding
| > | > | > | connection is required in nonmetallic electrical boxes.
Utilize
| > | > | > Grounding
| > | > | > | Lug (Fig. 11) and green Ground Screw provided with Yoke.
| > | > | > | http://www.carlon.com/Installation_Training/IT-IS125.pdf
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Doug
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
| > message
| > | > | > | news:458d50a5$0$500$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > uh, ok...enlighten me how grounding a PLASTIC box (or any
| > other
| > | > | > | > non-conducting object) will protect me (or) you from being
| > zapped.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > news:o32jh.45752$kY5.484656@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > | you never took time to understand why there are so much
law
| > for
| > | > | > | > electrical
| > | > | > | > | wiring..
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | all of this is to protect you,and everyone else of being
| > zapped
| > | > by
| > | > a
| > | > | > | > faulty
| > | > | > | > | electric device....
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit
| > dans
| > le
| > | > | > message
| > | > | > | > de
| > | > | > | > | news: 458b7296$0$25782$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > | >I saw I read, never see anything like that before....and
I
| > | > still
| > | > | > think
| > | > | > | > it's
| > | > | > | > | > silly.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | > news:MEIih.30937$kY5.154884@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > | > |
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http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes%20and%20Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | go read
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a
écrit
| > | > dans
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| > | > | > | > | > | news: 458b3ee0$0$3574$815e3792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > | > | > all that stuff is already grounded, to ground a
| > plastic
| > | > box
| > | > is
| > | > | > | > just
| > | > | > | > | > plain
| > | > | > | > | > | > silly.
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > "Petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | > | > news:Panih.124026$_n2.1042548@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > | > | > | Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,you
need
| > to
| > | > put
| > | > a
| > | > | > | > ground
| > | > | > | > | > in
| > | > | > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | > | grounding lug...
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | you must be asking why, a so crazy thing..
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | its because,even if you use plastic box the ground
| > wire
| > | > need
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > connect
| > | > | > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > | > | every metallic part of an electric system,that is
| > not
| > | > | > carrying
| > | > | > | > | > power,so
| > | > | > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | > | metal on a switch,or an electric plug,or on a
metal
| > | > cover
| > | > on
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > plastic
| > | > | > | > | > | > | box, they all need to be grounded,its the damn
code
| > that
| > | > say
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > | > | > must,so
| > | > | > | > | > | > by
| > | > | > | > | > | > | putting a ground lug,that connects to the hole
where
| > you
| > | > | > screw
| > | > | > | > your
| > | > | > | > | > | > device
| > | > | > | > | > | > | or plate on the plastic box you respect the
code,the
| > | > ground
| > | > | > wire
| > | > | > | > is
| > | > | > | > | > | > there
| > | > | > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > | > | protect your life,not to just help copper wire
| > company
| > | > sell
| > | > | > more
| > | > | > | > | > | > wire....But
| > | > | > | > | > | > | if its your life,just yours,not any other,I would
be
| > in
| > | > | > favour
| > | > | > | > of
| > | > | > | > | > not
| > | > | > | > | > | > | putting any ground wire to any electrical system
| > that
| > | > you
| > | > | > could
| > | > | > | > | > | > touch....
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | I you would have a minimum understanding of any
| > | > electrical
| > | > | > code
| > | > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > | > | > would
| > | > | > | > | > | > | know that...
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
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| > | > | > | > | > | > | "Robert L Bass" <robertbass1@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit
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| > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Grounding a plastic back box?
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > It's another olsonism, like levitating ladders
and
| > | > | > | > snap-rolling
| > | > | > | > | > 737's.
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > He's got a million of them (they're all lies, of
| > | > course).
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Let me see, how did that song go?
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > O-l-s-o-n....
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