Re: Master password

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>But then again, you were the one who brought up the subject of having
>visions and the magic about the hereafter.
I was trying to report what happened as well as what others have written and
discussed about these things through time. You are free to decide what it
means or doesn't mean. I was not making any effort to disabuse you of any
notions you may have about the topic.
If one were to ask me I would quote this:
Hypnagogic hallucination is episodes of seeing and hearing things as one is
falling asleep. These dreams can be frightening and can often cause a sudden
jerk and arousal just before sleep onset. For example, you may see yourself
falling and awaken with a sudden jerk, just before impact. As the subject
drifts off to sleep, he/she moves into a state that
combines the environment, of which the subject is still partially aware,
with a dream-like state of sleep, in which he might see people and hear them
talking. The experiences are often frightening. Sleep deprivation, irregular
sleep schedules, and medications all can predispose to occurrences of this
phenomenon.
Even with that understanding the event itself can be a disturbing one to
watch.

>that we instead not ponder the differences of your world of shamans ghosts
>and and magic and mine of >pacticality.

I don't know your world views any more than you know mine. You are free to
suppose anything you wish about me or my perspectives. I don't recall
discussing my beliefs here in this NG in any dogmatic way. I have made
plenty of sardonic remarks about ideas that seem too full of themselves to
let them pass peaceably by. If anything I would say that I like to observe
and question, without letting what I think I know already get in the way.

>Neither of us has any proof one way or the other.

There is never a shortage of "proof" It is more a question of  what one is
willing to accept as "proof". If you say nothing written or nothing spoken,
then that certainly limits "proof".

>But he'll still be gone. And that's all that counts.

Unless you measure your lifespan in eons, eras and epochs, we will all be
gone in the blink of an eye. Is that all that counts?

 >I hope the cocksucker dies a miserable fucking death and burns for
eternity in that hell you've created.

>"Cocksucker"?
 Bass has never mentioned any gay desires I am aware of. What's in your
closet?

>"miserable fucking death"
 I am not an oncologist, but I suspect every oncologist would agree that
most cancer deaths are truly miserable.

>"burns for eternity in that hell you've created"
Have you been talking to my ex? No, sorry, I didn't make hell, I am divorced
now. But thanks for the thought. I must give proper credit to someone else.
I have discussed what some believe are features of hell. Hell itself is not
a concept I understand. It is not mentioned as HELL in the Bible. It seems
it has its best description in The Divine Comedy in what we all know as
Dante's Inferno.
"Through me the way into the suffering city,
Through me the way to the eternal pain,
Through me the way that runs among the lost.
Justice urged on my high artificer;
My maker was divine authority,
The highest wisdom, and the primal love.
Before me nothing but eternal things were made,
And I endure eternally.
Abandon every hope, ye who enter here."

This might work, but I think you called Bass a "son of a bitch" and so, even
with that raised by wolves thing with Romulus and Remus going for him, I
don't think that makes Bass an Italian like Dante, so you may be out of
luck.
No hard feelings.

"Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1166769843.232605.220480@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Roland Moore wrote:
> >When you're dead, you're dead.
>
> I can not parse that sentence, let alone that concept.
>
> >But I can say that if I had the opportunity, I might consider using my
> >last breath to spit in his face.
>
> I saw that movie also. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Ricardo Montalbán
> character's last words to William Shatner's Kirk. A little too over the
> top
> for this place I am afraid. Not a big enough audience. It still has some
> shock value to newcomers I suspect, but not much to those that have read
> your other posts.
>
> >There's no magic or mystery about dying.
>
> Do tell? You've figured this all out? It is generous of you to keep it to
> yourself. Just think of the scholars, poets, theologians, politicians,
> physicians, and mystics that you would "put out of business" so to speak
> with your special knowledge and understanding.
>
> > Deitys are created in the minds of men to releive them of taking the
> > responsibilty for their own lives and deeds.
>
> That is a "chicken and egg" type question and answer because you don't
> account for the origin and structure of that mind. Whether that mind was
> created or evolved, the mechanism and purpose for the genesis of that
> nearly
> universal concept of a deity formed in that mind is somehow missing in
> your
> statement.
>
> > When I die, the world comes to an end. That's all that's important. I'm
> > the most important person that ever existed and ever will. While I'm
> > here, I take care of those that are important to me. When I'm gone
> > they're on their own.
>
> You must be every life insurance salesman's worst nightmare. On the other
> hand, by adopting that level of pathological narcissism you are a
> psychiatrist's dream.
>
> >As a professor I had, once told me   ... "Don't eminitize the eschaton"
> >( I dare you to look up the meaning of that quote!)
>
> Okay, I took the dare, and here it is.
>
> Eric Voegelin's 1952 book, The New Science of Politics
> Young Americans for Freedom wore badges blazoned with the slogan "Don't
> Immanentize the Eschaton"
> eschaton = end of the world, end of time, climax of history
> eschatological = any system of doctrines concerning last, or final,
> matters,
> as death, the Judgment, the future state, etc.
> eminitize = variant of (or misspelling) of Immanentize
>       Immanentist = the belief that the Deity indwells and operates
> directly
> within the universe or nature
>
> Immanentize means to make part of the here and now. Eschaton, like
> eschatology,
> relates to the branch of theology which deals with humanity's destiny.
>
> To immanentize something is to draw it in closely, to make it a part of
> one's
> immediate, subjective consciousness and experience. The eschaton is our
> ultimate destination, the final end toward which our lives are ordinated.
> Affirming an insight that lies at the core of classical Greek philosophy
> as
> well as Judaism and Christianity (the three streams of what Voegelin terms
> "the Mediterranean tradition"), Voegelin views the yearning for
> transcendence, the restlessness for a world better and higher than this
> world, as a universal and empirically self-evident component of human
> personhood, nothing less than a fundamental part of who we are.
>
> Consequently, to immanentize the eschaton is to commit a basic error in
> self-understanding. It is to assume wrongly that human aspiration and
> destiny are coterminous with the natural world. It is to assume wrongly
> that
> metaphysical questions, which are life's core questions, either do not
> exist
> at all, or can be rationally investigated only through the methods of
> physics, which in practice tends to be another way of defining such
> questions as unanswerable and therefore irrelevant. In sum, to immanentize
> the eschaton is to assume wrongly that ultimate reality, of which God is
> the
> final measure, is instead some form of this-world reality, of which man is
> presumed to be the final measure.
>
> And this professor you quoted; you were his favorite student? Perhaps your
> professor should have at least taught the correct spelling of Immanentize
> (eminitize)? Or was he (or you) trying to be cryptic?
>
> I think you're trying to say you know something the rest of us don't, or
> you've experienced something the rest of us have not. Please bring forth
> your enlightenment like the living verdure mighty one, as your mind
> delivers
> the living verdure, like circinate vernation in the fullness of time. We
> wait, for we know your sagacity slays our inadequate bourgeois
> understanding
> of all that has ever been, or all that will ever be. Truly you are the
> Alpha
> and Omega! Archen te kai teleuten kai mesa ton onton apanton echon.
>
> No wait, you're just a bitter sad sack that loves spitting venomous words
> as
> well as sophomoric bromides.
>   .
>
> Hey! Ya know, you're pretty good! I wish that I could look things up on
> the Internet, copy them and then post them and make it appear that I know
> what I'm talking about. That's pretty amazing. But then, again, I did dare
> you, didn't I? Except for the fact that you added a little of your opinion
> in there that's a pretty good brief explanation of the subject. I hadn't
> read anything on it for a lot of years and it didn't occur to me to brush
> up on the subject first. I didn't think it was as important as you
> apparently did. But then again, you were the one who brought up the
> subject of having visions and the magic about the hereafter.

Well anyway, I think it only proper that rather than waxing
philosophical in this quagmire of ASA, that we instead not ponder the
differences of your world of shamans ghosts and and magic and mine of
pacticality. Neither of us has any proof one way or the other. Just as
you, I can only have faith that I'm right. And also we'll get into that
old problem of discussing politics or religion in a mixed group.

As far as venomous words, you've hit it on the head again. And there's
not a fucking thing you can do about it. So .... in short, ( to quote
the dead guy) If you don't like it, there's nothing you can do about
it. You don't have any say of what happens here. You can filter me, or
leave, or not. Lacking Bass' attitude about his own abhorrant conduct
here, there would be no reason for me to take a similar stand
........and that's a pretty sad state of affairs now, isn't it. But,
considering that fact that if no one opposed his conduct, it would
appear that what he does here, is OK. It isn't and it never will be.
Shortly, when he's gone, both what he's done and what I've done will be
forgotten. But he'll still be gone. And that's all that counts.


Bass is and has been a fucking arrogant son of a bitch for years and
there's nothing that you can say that will change that. He's ruined
this group and others for years along with insulting and ridiculing
anyone who doesn't agree with him. He's a nasty vindictive asshole and
deserves exactly what's happened to him. Some things just happen for
the better. I hope the cocksucker dies a miserable fucking death and
burns for eternity in that hell you've created. In this case, I could
only hope there was one, just for his sake. Unfortunately he'll only
get to die. But I can I can have hope it's sooner rather than later.

Oh and uhhh ....

No hard feelings ..... or not.