Re: Ademco Vista Programming

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Then I take it you have no problems with people publicly posting logins to
> secure websites then?
I said I don't have enough information to refute or support Bass' logic for
doing so. I didn't post the login and said previously I would choose not to
do it.
>Ask him why he doesn't post Napco or DSC's site logins.
I don't know that he does or doesn't post those logins. I have not been here
long enough to know. I suspect that if Bass doesn't post the logins to those
other sites like Napco or DSC it may be because those sites have individual
web login user names rather than common ones, and perhaps individual logins
that get posted may get removed.
I suspect you may know the answer already so why not just tell us?

"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Then I take it you have no problems with people publicly posting logins to
> secure websites then? Ask him why he doesn't post Napco or DSC's site
> logins
>
> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Some manufacturers like Bosch and Electronic Lines don't seem to have any
>> security on their web sites. Anyone can see everything. Some like Napco,
>> Honeywell, DMP, and Paradox for example have various levels of security
> for
>> signing into their site. Bass says that purchasers of DIY need access to
> the
>> manufacturer's web site the same way a dealer would need site access to
> aid
>> in installation of their own equipment. Since I have no experience in the
>> DIY market I am in no position to refute or support that notion. My
> thought
>> is that certain panels may be easy enough for a DIY to program. The
>> Honeywell Vista 128FB as well as many others would not be on my list of
>> panels that a DIY person should attempt to program. I don't know how
>> Honeywell feels about Bass posting the login to their site. It might be
>> interesting to see what their official position is on the subject. Has
>> anyone asked? Honeywell cetainly doesn't mind it enought to stop selling
> to
>> Bass it seems. If Honeywell is taking money from Bass aren't their
> resources
>> available to him as a customer of Honeywell? If Honeywell were truly
> worried
>> about unauthorized web site access they could use Microsoft WebTS and/or
> an
>> individual user name and password logins instead of a common login. In
>> the
>> end who answers the question as to whether or not Bass is responsible to
>> protect Honeywell's interests in limiting access to their web site, or
> even
>> if that is something that Honeywell actually cares about. How much
>> responsibility one puts on Bass in any case seems to me to be an
> individual
>> matter. In this regard Honeywell is not left without recourse and can
> chose
>> to choke down access to their site when they decide it is necessary. It
>> seems to me if Bass were truly interested in what anyone else thought he
>> would merely copy wholesale the web sites of the equipment manufacturers
> he
>> sold and incorporate it (with permission) in a web site of his own. Bass
>> could then lock his own site down in a more aggressive fashion (so no one
>> here would see it) and use exclusive access to his site as a sales tool
> for
>> the DIY folks he sells to. I don't know anything about the DIY market,
>> but
> I
>> would think the DIY web FAQ would not be the same as a regular dealer web
>> FAQ. I am not trying to tell Bass how to run his business, just stating
> what
>> makes sense to me. Honeywell itself is not without its own critics, like
>> Napco, that think that selling to dealers and competing with dealers at
> the
>> same time is unethical. Seems like one would have to make his or her own
>> judgements about how ethical or unethical Bass is compared to Honeywell
> and
>> which do you wish to support. Honeywell is a $30 billion company. As a
>> pratical matter even if Bass hated Honeywell as much as some who post
>> here
>> seem to hate Bass, I doubt he could think of any way to damage Honeywell.
>> Bass states that the reason he posts the login is to help his customers,
>> Bass doesn't mention any interest in hurting Honeywell. I don't think
>> Honeywell is too concerned about Bass or anyone else that posts here
> having
>> any real impact on that $30 billion figure.
>>
>> "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >> I am not avoiding it. It seems that most everyone here has been
>> >> talking
>> >> to
>> >> Bass or about Bass for along time and to date nothing has seemed to
>> >> influence him one way or another. Me adding my 2 cents is unlikely to
>> >> make
>> >> any difference. I took note of Jim's comments. Agreeing with Jim on
>> >> one
>> >> point doesn't take me down the road to wishing any harm on Bass.
>> >> Having
>> > just
>> >> buried my friend from a slow terrible unfair death last week I see no
>> > reason
>> >> to support or condemn any side here. I have no ability to control
> others
>> > in
>> >> any way and no desire to. It is enough for me to tend to the details
>> >> of
>> >> my
>> >> own life. If Bass wants to know what I think of his methods I suspect
> he
>> >> will ask me. If Jim wants to know I can say it is something I would
>> >> not
>> >> choose to do.
>> >
>> > That wasn't what I was saying, Jim said what he said because RLB for
>> > the
>> > upteenth time public posted the login to Honeywell's secure website.
>> > You
>> > must have missed it
>> >
>> > I seriously doubt anyone wishes harm on RLB, certainly not me
>> >
>> >
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