Re: News: Wrong security code

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> "Jackcsg" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > > "J. Sloud" <jsloud2001@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > > > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:30:06 -0500, "Jackcsg" =
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> > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > >I agree. It wasn't a dig at ADT at all. But it provides a few =
of us
> > > with
> > > > > >some training examples.
> > > > > >The example I would, and did point out to my CS staff is what =
a
> > cancel
> > > > code
> > > > > >does.
> > > > >
> > > > > My reply was a defense of the entire industry.  The fact that =
ADT
> was
> > > > > the central is irrelevant.  It would have happened the same =
way
> > > > > regardless.  From reading the article and not having access to =
all
> the
> > > > > facts, it appears that the correct code was entered after the
> > > > > allowable time had elapsed for a cancel.  ADT's monitoring =
system is
> > > > > very automated, and there is very little room for operator =
error.
> > > >
> > > > J, does ADT even use cancel signals? I'm just asking an honest
> question.
> > > > I agree, there are obviously a few missing facts.
> > >
> > > Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't
> > >
> > I didn't see anything on their web site about cancel signals, just =
their
> > "enhanced call verification".
> > What's your typically policy on cancel signals Mark? Do you guys use =
them?
> > Or anybody for that matter.
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> >I didn't see anything either.
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> >But, their online price estimator is an eyeopener for anyone =
expecting a
> low price on a full >system. Try comparing a residential alarm you =
sell to
> what it would cost from >ADT...interesting!
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> ADT is not in my league, so I seldom see comparison's. I used to tell =
people
> that their average sale was around $800.00 from their "get me in the =
door"
> $99.00 deals. An old (ex) ADT Branch manager told me their average =
sale.
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They are much higher now, according to their web!...great news btw.

One of their regional managers came to work for me abt 10 years ago...he =
told me that their out the door price was closer to 1400 back then. He =
worked for me for abt 6 years then went to DMP as a rep because he got =
divorced and didn't want to stay in town.



> >I send cancels. It drops dispatch priority down a notch. We know =
someone is
> there with "A" >code, but is it the cleaning lady that they fired 2 =
months
> ago or what?
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> I send cancels, and o/c reports (if Internet Connected). I don't see =
too
> many user activations as typically they don't physically get through =
the
> door if their not allowed.

I don't send o/c's on residential unless they are snow birds. I send =
unsupervised o/c's on ALL commercial at no charge...it's worth it for me =
for liability sake. If they want reports or supervision then I charge =
for it.

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> Hey Rob, off topic, have you seen the cut sheets on the new 7000 =
series
> keypads from DMP?
> They are know available. The 7063 has a built-in reader, much like the =
793,
> but with no zone inputs, reader input, relay output, or big cost. I'm =
going
> to order a couple monday and have a look at them.

YES !! I've been using them for a few months. I love 'em. Much crisper =
key stroke response. Takes a little getting used to the 'stylish' =
appearence though...and since the top is not straight you can't put a =
level on them (minor annoyance). You're gonna like them! I still use the =
690's too though - with the 690's you can make your own private =
label...you cant with the 706x's. The 7000's do have a nice big bright =
red armed light too...really big :-) AND you don't have to cut out the =
middle emergency key tag if you don't use medical..each emergency decal =
is separate.

I can't wait to see the new Glass Keypad...they haven't even released a =
decent pix yet..they're waiting for the ISC.

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> >So we try calling premise again - then dispatch.
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> >Same for Exit Errors.
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