Re: [OT] Office X-serve vs windows standard server 2008

[Ben McCormack <yahoogroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ho-Yin

That is another consideration.

I think you view is right. There are a lot less people who can
support=20=20
Mac.

Ben


On 17 Oct 2008, at  15:30, Ho Yin Ng wrote:

> But if I cancel I still have all the equipment sitting in my office
> which someone else will need to maintain and service?
>
> So therefore if I go for Xserves I may be limited to the people that
> could service them?
>
> Ho-Yin
>
> 2008/10/17 Ben McCormack <yahoogroup@xxxxxxx>:
> > Ho-Yin
> >
> > Paul is right on this. If you are buying a Service from the
support
> > consultancy the underlying technology should not matter. If you
are
> > able to write down simple requirements that meet the business
needs
> > then technology does not come into it.
> >
> > Very Simple Example (No basis on fact, used to illustrate
the=20=20
> example)
> >
> > MAPI based email supporting Outlook Clients
> > 50 Users
> > Uptime of 99.99 08:00 to 18:00 Monday to Friday
> > Maintenance completed out of hours with 3 days notice given
> > New users added within 48 hours
> > Users deleted within 48 hours of request being received.
> > =A3500 per month
> > If SLA is not met for 2 months running you have the right to
cancel.
> >
> > In this instance does it matter what the technology is? If a
teas-=20
> maid
> > could deliver the above then you would be happy.
> >
> > Worth thinking about what the business needs. Start your
thoughts=20=20
> there.
> >
> > regards
> > Ben
> >
> > On 17 Oct 2008, at 15:13, Ho Yin Ng wrote:
> >
> >> I still care!!!
> >>
> >> It is my money!
> >>
> >> We still have to buy the products. I just want to be aware of
the
> >> limitations if any or perhaps advantageous of one system
over=20=20
> another.
> >>
> >> I've been duped in the past and forked out for a system
that=20=20
> severely
> >> let me down.
> >>
> >> I think both provide the service we require, but surely one
must be
> >> better or offer us something that the other cannot.
> >>
> >> Ho-Yin
> >>
> >> 2008/10/17 Paul Gordon <paul@xxxxxxx>:
> >> > Hmm... in that case, aren't you going be paying for
SERVICES
> >> rather than
> >> > PRODUCTS? - If it's all outsourced, do you actually care
what it
> >> runs on,
> >> > provided you stipulate your requirements to the
solution=20=20
> provider,
> >> and they
> >> > meet them?....
> >> >
> >> > E.G: if you state your requirements to be:
> >> >
> >> > Identity management for your 45 users
> >> > Access control & authentication
> >> > Private storage allocation for each user (home
directories)
> >> > Shared storage between all users
> >> > MAPI based email supporting Outlook clients
> >> > Collaboration between users (calendar sharing, free/busy
info=20=20
> etc)
> >> > Shared printing facilities
> >> > Policy-based management of the workstations
> >> > .
> >> > .
> >> > .
> >> > etc...
> >> >
> >> > And the man from DelMonte, he say "yes", - and
it fits your SLA
> >> > requirements, and budget, then do you (or should you)
care (or
> >> even know)
> >> > what the underlying platforms are?
> >> >
> >> > Paul G.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> >
> >> > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx on behalf of Ho Yin Ng
> >> > Sent: Fri 17/10/2008 14:41
> >> > To: UKHA Group
> >> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] [OT] Office X-serve vs windows
standard
> >> server 2008
> >> >
> >> > Currently we would be outsourcing all our IT to a
support
> >> consultancy.
> >> >
> >> > I have no in-house IT manager etc.
> >> >
> >> > 2008/10/17 Ben McCormack <yahoogroup@xxxxxxx>:
> >> >> Ho-Yin
> >> >>
> >> >> Simple question - Do you have anyone within the
company who can
> >> >> support the XServe and OSX?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ben
> >> >>
> >> >> On 17 Oct 2008, at 13:39, Ho Yin Ng wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I have had several consultants look at my office
and they are
> >> >>> suggesting two different approaches.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> One is saying we should use an Apple Xserve
rather than a=20=20
> windows
> >> >>> machine.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> They state that the SBS requires to be the
controller of
> >> everything
> >> >>> and does not play well with others. Whereas the
Xserve=20=20
> provides a
> >> >>> lower total cost of ownership when compared to
MS server and
> >> provides
> >> >>> similar services and will integrate seamlessly
with the=20=20
> exchange
> >> >>> server.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Can anyone shed any light on this?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> We are a 45 strong office looking to expand.
Currently we=20=20
> only run
> >> >>> Windows PCs, but we many have a couple of Macs
later.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The Xserve seems cheaper than a similar HP DL360
5450 others=20=20
> are
> >> >>> proposing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Be interesting to get your opinion on this.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ho-Yin
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
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