A Sound Discussion

[ABLE1 <someone@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 9/30/2015 4:52 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> "ABLE1" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> On 9/29/2015 9:35 PM, Jim wrote:
>>> On Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 9:07:45 AM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>> On 9/26/2015 1:27 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>> Les,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never used FB for my contracting company, but it definitely
>>>>> generates
>>>>> business for my mold making business.  LinkedIn too.  I periodically
>>>>> write
>>>>> an article or interesting social post, and then share it to other pages
>>>>> as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently I had a mold customer visit me here in my shop to discuss some
>>>>> designs we are working on.  That's pretty rare since I ship molds all
>>>>> over
>>>>> the country and even around the world.  I made a big deal out of it and
>>>>> shared it on fishing groups, tackle making groups, and even on his
>>>>> business
>>>>> page as a purely fun and social post.  It resulted in about 700 visits
>>>>> to my
>>>>> FB page and two new custom jobs.  I imagine if I did similar things for
>>>>> my
>>>>> contracting business I could drives new jobs that way too.
>>>>>
>>>>> To go further an occassional fishing partner of mine uses socail medai
>>>>> and
>>>>> personal contacts to drive business his way.  He is a new car salesman
>>>>> and
>>>>> since he started doing that he has been the number one new vehicle
>>>>> salesman
>>>>> in his dealership every single month.  He doesn't even do the
>>>>> advertising
>>>>> side of it.  Just has a huge friends list and does things like post
>>>>> smiling
>>>>> pictures of people with their shiny new pickup truck.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hated Facebook and Linked-In just like you guys, but I have learned a
>>>>> little bit about how to use them to drive business also.
>>>>>
>>>>> Add on that all my Aunts and Uncles and Cousins stay in touch through
>>>>> Facebook...
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hear you Bob, but........................
>>>>
>>>> I guess that I am too much like my Dad.  He was the top Ford mechanic at
>>>> a local large dealership.  He was the guy that could listen to an engine
>>>> with a long screwdriver up against his ear and the engine block and tell
>>>> you that a certain valve had a bad gap at the rocker and was tapping or
>>>> the timing was off by a frog hair.
>>>>
>>>> He retired at the right time since the new computer stuff was starting
>>>> to takeover and he did not understand the new fangled thingies.
>>>>
>>>> In those days nobody could make a engine cheat on a emissions test.
>>>> Well, there were no emissions test even to consider cheating on. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I know the new stuff can do this or that when applied and adjusted to
>>>> meet the need and desires but I am just to old to strain my brain on the
>>>> issue.  For me it is a lot easier to ignore and move on with the
>>>> workload that I presently have.............. which is significant.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I was on LinkedIN for a period of time a number of years ago when
>>>> I thought it might be a benefit.  Well it wasn't and I cancelled it as
>>>> well.  As the saying goes; "It just ain't my cup of tea."
>>>>
>>>> BTW nice slip in of the https://www.facebook.com/CNCMOLDSNSTUFF
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but I won't be visiting.  I included here for the additional
>>>> support.
>>>>
>>>> Have a good next week Bob.  I have another full plate.  I have a
>>>> security/camera/phone customer that thinks I might be ABLE to help them
>>>> fix their dining area background music and order number paging system.
>>>>
>>>> Well yeaaaaaa....................
>>>>
>>>> Just have to figure out how to get something called Pandora connected
>>>> via WiFi to a paging amp to drop in 2x2 ceiling speakers.
>>>>
>>>> And they pay me to do this stuff????  Cool!!
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>
>>> Hi Les,
>>>
>>> I do this kind of audio work on a regular basis. I don't know what your
>>> specifics are but here's a little bit of information that may be useful.
>>> Although Pandora is free or a paid service, the free service does have
>>> it's quirks. You can only pick your category of songs but not specific
>>> songs. You can choose a performer or a style of music but Pandora plays
>>> pretty much what it wants to at random ..... keeping within a genre. The
>>> most annoying thing about it is that the volume is not constant. Some
>>> music is loud some is too soft. When I set up music systems for people I
>>> try to use Sonos. This way people can play their own music from their
>>> Ipads/IPhones or computers as well as choosing from about 150 internet
>>> radio stations. Sonos is fabulous to work with and delivers lots of
>>> smiles to the end users. They love it.
>>>
>>> One of the aspects of jobs like this is that their WiFi network needs to
>>> be pretty robust if they want to be able to control their music from all
>>> over the home. They usually don't want to go for the extra bucks up front
>>> but once they get a taste of being able to control their music from their
>>> I/Phone/Pad they want to do if from anywhere in the house and then I get
>>> called back to enhance the WiFi network.  I usually wind up installing
>>> wireless access points or additional routers with DHCP disabled. Also,
>>> the Power line carrier IP network extenders work pretty good in getting
>>> the network to other parts of the house without having to run wires. It
>>> takes some practice to learn how to install them quickly but once you've
>>> mastered it .... it works great. There are new ones out now that not only
>>> carry the hardwire network but also create a WiFi area from the plug in
>>> unit.
>>>
>>> Anyway, If you need any help, let me know.
>>>
>>
>> Jim,
>> Thanks for the input.  I just looked at the Sonos site and a quick look at
>> the components.  This equipment looks like it is geared more for the high
>> end residential user.  The project I am involved with is a commercial
>> restaurant dining room for background music as well as paging for order
>> numbers.
>>
>> I have never used Pandora but the customer is using it an likes it. They
>> also have some knowledge about another service called Spotify.
>>
>> The comments you made about Pandora gives me a little concern but with
>> equipment I am looking at should handle what ever service they want to
>> use.
>>
>> I am thinking that all of this new audio stuff will have its quirks of one
>> type or another.
>>
>> BTW the equipment I am looking at is:
>> https://gracedigital.com/shop/tuner-pro/
>>
>> Connected to a Episode commercial amp ECA-70MIXAMP-1-60 with 2x2 drop in
>> ceiling speakers.
>>
>> Just dropped a ball park number today and got a "THAT MUCH??" response.
>>
>> We will see how it goes.
>>
>> Again thanks for the extra input.
>>
>> Les
>
>
> Is the service licensed for commercial use?  You know that no matter what
> they say or even what you write down the customer will swear under oath to
> AZCAP and BMI that the you the professional contractor told them it was OK
> and they had no reason not to believe you since you are the professional.
> Since you are the professional everybody will say, "you should have known
> better."
>
> Restaurants and grocery stores seem to always think they can get value added
> services for free.  There is royalty free music available and I have
> periodically chased some down for background for MOH with a small player of
> some kind.  That's not a broadcast a service though. Its pre-recorded
> royalty free music.
>
> I seem to recall it was ok to "play the radio" , but I don't think that
> applies to on-line services.  I think thats putting an FM aerial on the
> building and hooking it to a receiver.
>

Bob, I changed the subject on this is this has gone way off topic.

I always that it was a problem if a radio station was used for MOH on a
phone system so I don't do that when requested.

As for this new stuff like Pandora, Spotify, etc can now be an issue
that I had not thought about before reading your post.  Yes that could
be an issue of sorts.  The question is how to fix it??

Truthfully I do not know how that is done.  Is it just a matter of not
using the "free" service and set up a paying account??

Is this something that is covered in the fine print somewhere??

Oh!! the challenges.

More input, need more input.

Thanks,

Les