Re: Some installers should not be working on advanced panels

[JoeRaisin <joeraisin2001@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 3/18/2011 4:01 PM, nick markowitz wrote:
> They should put a very big note in Vista 32FB- 128 FB BP etc. As Well
> as NX-8 etc etc.
>
> WARNING THIS PANEL IS TO BE INSTALLED AND PROGRAMMED ONLY BY
> EXPERIENCED INSTALLERS. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PROGRAM BY HAND UNLESS YOU
> KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING OR YOU COULD PUT LIFE AND PROPERTY AT
> RISK.
> THIS PANEL HAS EXTENSIVE MENUS AND ADVANCED FUNCTIONS  ONLY A
> QUALIFIED TECH WILL FULLY UNDERSTAND.
>
> IF YOU ARE NOT SURE KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF AND PUT YOUR SCREW DRIVER DOWN
> AND GET SOME ONE WHO DOES.
>
> Once again I found some fucking idiot  installers who tried to install
> addressable smokes on the 2 wire loop could not get it working so they
> just turned off zone and left it disabled  over year 1/2 ago.
>
> Could not get heat loop working had series and parallel resistors on
> it. so they disabled it and told no one .
> had wrong resistors where the hell they came up with 10 k resistors
> when only 2 k come with panels.
>
> This was a 3 million dollar home and there where no 120 daisy chain
> smokes in residence.

That crap really pisses me off.  I am a real nazi when it comes to
residential fire protection.

It's one thing when a person chooses to not have fire protection in
their home (still irritates me but I can't make another person's
decision for them - but you can bet no one in my family would ever be
allowed to spend even one night there).  But it's a whole other thing
when they THINK they are protected but are not.

I once went into a home to set up an existing Vista 50 for monitoring.
Not only had the last tech who touched the system (two years or so
previous when this family had moved in and didn't want monitoring at
that time but couldn't get the dock alarm to shut up) simply unplugged
it, when I powered it back up I found the smokes were a model with a
form C relay on them and the installer had wired them on the normally
closed side.  When I smoked 'em all I got was a trouble.  This, plus a
ton of issues on the burg side meant that when I called in to tell my
boss why it was going to take a lot longer to get this system up and
running, the Company I worked for had a sales guy come out.  Told the
homeowner the best we could do to fix it up was just over $2K.  I was
really disappointed with my company since it had been one of OUR techs
that had disabled the panel and we had apparently taken it over years
earlier (when we bought the company that had installed it) without
sending someone out to do a quick once-over.

10K resistors might have come from a 4208U expander.  Which tells me
they have a 4208U they are trying to put in with 2K resistors - probably
more disabled zones.