Re: Automatic fire sprinklers

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"Tom Horne"  a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
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On Jan 11, 8:11 pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jan 11, 7:05 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
>
>
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> <cayoung61**spambloc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Can you believe this?  I think Even actually thinks Congress
> > has, or ought to have the power to force us all to buy
> > safety stuff? Must be public school student.
>
> > --
> > Christopher A. Young
> > Learn more about Jesus
> >  www.lds.org
> > .
>
> > "Evan" <evan.news.re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >news:197f28be-6bdd-44ac-9d5e-7f65b8d9dcdf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > On Jan 11, 10:26 am, "Stormin Mormon"
>
> > <cayoung61**spambloc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I don't remember reading in the Constitution. Where it
> > > gives
> > > any level of government power to force us to buy safety
> > > equipment.
>
> > > --
> > > Christopher A. Young
> > > Learn more about Jesus
> > >www.lds.org
>
> > Perhaps you do not know how to read the Constitution nor how
> > to
> > interpret what is written there and how the Supreme Court of
> > the
> > United States has interpreted and clarified the document in
> > the
> > ensuing 223 years since it was written by the founding
> > fathers
> > and architects of our country...
>
> > The fact that you can *buy* anything is at the discretion of
> > the US Congress which has the sole authority on the
> > regulation
> > of Commerce in the United States...
>
> > Article I, § 8:
>
> > -- "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the
> > several states, and with the Indian tribes;"
>
> > (Commonly referred to as the "Commerce Clause")
>
> > -- "To make rules for the government and regulation of the
> > land
> > and naval forces;"
>
> > -- "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for
> > carrying
> > into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers
> > vested by
> > this Constitution in the government of the United States, or
> > in any
> > department or officer thereof."
>
> > (Commonly referred to as the "Necessary and Proper Clause")
>
> > So it is written there, just not in the terms which you seem
> > to
> > need it to be so that you can clearly understand it I
> > guess...
>
> > Unless you are building a log cabin using only locally
> > available
> > materials (meaning you chopped down the logs yourself) you
> > are engaging in and benefiting from interstate commerce to
> > procure your supplies and materials which had to move across
> > state lines to arrive at the local store from which you
> > purchased
> > them...  THAT gives Congress the power to decide on how
> > those
> > materials should be sold and used...  Or to require any
> > safety
> > laws it feels are necessary...
>
> > It is my opinion that in the next few coming generations of
> > the National Building Code that automatic fire sprinklers
> > will
> > soon be a nationwide requirement...
>
> > ~~ Evan
>
> Tom
> You do not know it
> I am a Private Industry Fire Investigator. besides being a very good
> trouble shooter. and write regularly on the subject including Pa.
> Assoc of Arson investigators newsletters which I was just in and Pa
> Fireman's magazine and occasionally for Al at SSI to name a few
> and I have served as an Driver/Engineer in a volunteer fire dept.Penn
> Hills 4# and still help out Emsworth VFD as I can
> That means pump operator. I know all about moving water around.
> I also have an oil industry customer where I design high volume
> pumping/heating equipment for oil and water the pictures are on my
> Face Book wall
>
> I know what I am talking about.So do not try bull shiting me.
> Yes insurance company do raise rates it happened to my customer here
> in Pa when he put sprinklers in a million dollar home called
> Graceland  at Nemacolin Woodlands a very high end resort built by 84
> lumber magnate in fact many states had to pass laws to stop insurance
> company from jack up rates when sprinklers in homes where installed.
> Would you like his phone number.Plus a couple others.
> He also got disgusted and turned them off after they froze up 2
> different times and he too was a volunteer firefighter.
> I got news for you drum drips need emptied monthly would you care to
> come here to PA. and I will take you to my customers and see all the
> water that comes out of the pipes,at places I take care of. We have
> wild temp swings here
> it goes to 8 degrees at night and goes to 40 in day this constant up
> and down expansion puts water in the pipes regardless if there is air
> in them or not. Of course if you lived in a  cold climate like I do
> here you would know that.
> Would you like to see the reports from Cranberry Twp and Penn Hills
> Fire depts. for how many times they have responded to frozen drum
> drips that burst at my customers.Would you like the phone numbers of
> sprinkler company's  and AHJ in my area who will tell you the same
> thing.
> Your not playing with some amateur here.

Nick
You don't answer the questions that are put to you so why should I
believe you.  Is Rome NY cold enough for you.

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Is Montreal Quebec cold enough??? Never got that much condensation in dry
sprinkler system in here, and I was inspecting maintaining about 200 system
like that every few months, Here in warehouse we have a lot of dry system.