Re: Help with adding two window sensors to ADT alarm.

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Oct 30, 6:05=A0pm, Frank Kurz <t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 29/10/2010 8:38 AM, Jim wrote:
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> > On Oct 29, 10:17 am, Frank Kurz<t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
> >> On 28/10/2010 10:13 PM, mleuck wrote:
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> >>>> I would advise against programming the panel yourself while you're s=
till
> >>>> under contract.
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> >>>> This having been said, I recently took over an ADT Vista 20. =A0With=
out a
> >>>> full alpha keypad I wouldn't attempt to add wireless devices. =A0The=
 Vista
> >>>> 20 manual is readily available online. =A0If the installer exited
> >>>> programming with *99 command you should be able to get "in" by power=
ing
> >>>> the system down (remove battery and AC) and then powering back up. =
=A0Go
> >>>> to any keypad in the house within 60 seconds and press "*" and "#"
> >>>> together. =A0If the keypad displays "20", you're "in" and can procee=
d to
> >>>> program the system.
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> >>>> You NEED a full alpha keypad. =A0You NEED the programming manual and=
 some
> >>>> basic understanding of alarm terminology.
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> >>>> If you screw up the programming sequence, the installer that ADT
> >>>> dispatches is liable to charge you double to fix it.
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> >>> Its not a very good idea to tell someone how to get into programming
> >>> without knowing if the guy has the proper keypad or not, do you
> >>> honestly think he's going to know what an alpha keypad is? Now it's
> >>> likely he'll put it in programming anyway thanks to you and not have =
a
> >>> clue how to get out
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> >>> I've seen this crap happen before, someone with no experience totally
> >>> hoses their system and will they admit it? of course not then it's
> >>> ADT's fault and of course everyone here piles on
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> >> I agree with you Mark. =A0A search of this group will reveal many
> >> instances where individuals have provided the information necessary to
> >> access installer level programming on a number of different setups (he=
ck
> >> you can even find the manuals online). =A0I thought it important to
> >> mention the importance of doing it right and having the right tools. =
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> >> number of other respondents (including yourself) have provided
> >> sufficient warning for any end-user to think twice before attempting t=
o
> >> make an alteration to a system that is under contract.
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> >> --
> >> Frank Kurz
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> > And, you'll tell him how to do it =A0..... because =A0......... ?
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> Because my instructions came with a proviso, which he may not see if
> he's searching for an online answer (or even if he searches this Group).
> =A0 I don't like to do it, Jim, but anyone that's determined enough to
> ignore the warnings and does it anyway deserves what he gets.
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> --
> Frank Kurz

It would seem to me that rather than be party to the event, it would
be preferable to not give him the means to do it in the first place.
If he wants to do it let him figure out how on his own.

That brings to mind a very old simple story about the guy who finds
his friend hiding in a closet during a lightning storm. He says to his
friend, don't you know if lightning is going to strike you that
there's no way you can stop it? His friend says well if it's going to
strike me ..... let it look for me.

Let the guy look for his own means to destruction, rather than
providing it.