Re: OT: Can't believe I found this in the Wall Street Journal

["petem" <petem001@xxxxxxxxx>]

Mrs Morgan

In real life my friends say that I am allways ready to help, that they can
count on me and I am one of the most sincere poeple they know cause I dont
give bull shit, if I say something its true and thats it.

I never say to someone they are right if I think they are making a mistake.
And they all know that I wont tolerate the inverse from them, some time I
can be away of there life for months, but when I come back they know its not
because I need something, its because I now have more time to be with them.

I am in no way selfish and I allways want to help, I got friend livings for
month in my home cause they were living bad times without even charging them
a cent. At 14 years old I was allready like that, one of my close friend
lost his father and his mother could not keep him (they were divorced), I
told him to come live with us and my mom was happy that I asked him even
with out asking her.. he was in need and that was enough..


thats the same woman that died from the same illness as bAss...

I dont need the AA

dont need god.

and dont need you to tell me that bAss as changed, he didnt change, he is
acting so you give him pity.. thats it, he does not deserve pity, or
forgiveness, he need to see how bad he choose to act and thats it.


"G. Morgan" <usenet_abuse@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
discussion : s9qcr551sefad607vlr52tfua2c61be82i@xxxxxxxxxx
> "Robert L Bass" <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>I forgive because that is what I need to do -- nothing more,
>>nothing less.
>
> I'm hoping he will understand what you mean by that someday.
>
> Pete, I got tuned on to the concept in AA.
>
> You should go to a open meeting some time and learn a little about the 12
> step
> program.  It has been copied so often because:
>
> A> It works
> B> It is the only thing that has been proven to work for many maladies
>
> It's just an attitude/lifestyle that alcoholics have to adopt because we
> are
> very self-centered and selfish by nature.  The trick to the whole thing is
> to
> "get out of yourself" and start "doing for others".  And if a person
> chooses to
> live their life by these 12 principals in all of their daily activities,
> the
> reason he drank will disappear.  Robert just finished a step 9 where you
> were
> involved.  His side of the street is now "clean" and he can cross your
> name off
> the list in step 8, your acceptance of the apology is unnecessary for the
> completion of the step (but it is nice to receive forgiveness).  Actually
> it
> sounds like you didn't meet the criteria for the list in step 8, because
> he
> never directly harmed you.  He was staying on the safe side and asked you
> numerous times if he had harmed you.  Had you been harmed by him and he
> was
> attempting an amend, you're absolutely right about "just saying sorry
> isn't good
> enough", the goal is to make amends, not apologize.   Had you answered him
> and
> said he harmed you, he would of course apologize, but then ask what it
> would
> take to make it up to you if just the verbal or written apology was
> insufficient.
>
> I encourage everyone to stop in and witness what happens at these
> meetings.  I
> guarantee you will walk out of there gaining something, I have never been
> to one
> where I didn't get something out of it.  Sometimes they are easy-going and
> even
> funny.  Some will have a person tell a story that will leave an indelible
> mark
> on your heart.
>
> If you KNOW you are not an alcoholic, please only go to meetings marked as
> "open".  Closed meetings are for alcoholics or folks who think they may
> be.  And
> don't bring your little kids -- I hate it when someone does that and has
> to
> enter the meeting area.  People then "edit" what they would normally say
> for the
> sake of the child not hearing it.  Myself, I like to cuss a lot at these
> things
> and I can't say "Motherfucker" in front of a 4 year old girl.
>
> Here are the steps and the simple principals that each step represents.
> When
> people commit to these principals, whether they are an alcoholic or not,
> it will
> benefit them.  You can kind of think of these principles just like a
> Christian
> would the 10 commandments.  But these are more of a "lifestyle", not so
> much
> moral doctrine.
>
> By the way, Robert is not an alcoholic, but is familiar with the 12 steps.
> We
> discussed this at length one night.
>
>
> The AA Principles and Virtues
>
> Honesty
> Step 1. We admitted that we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives
> had
> become unmanageable.
>
> Hope
> Step 2. Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore
> us to
> sanity.
>
> Faith
> Step 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of
> God
> as we understood him.
>
> Courage
> Step 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
>
> Integrity
> Step 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the
> exact
> nature of our wrongs.
>
> Willingness
> Step 6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of
> character.
>
> Humility
> Step 7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
>
> Brotherly Love
> Step 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to
> make
> amends to them all.
>
> Justice
> Step 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when
> to do
> so would injure them or others.
>
> Perseverance
> Step 10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong
> promptly
> admitted it.
>
> Spirituality
> Step 11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious
> contact
> with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of his will for
> us and
> the power to carry that out.
>
> Service
> Step 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we
> tried
> to carry this message to others, especially alcoholics and to practice
> these
> principles in all our affairs.
>
>