Re: OT: Feedback Extortion

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jul 28, 6:00=A0pm, "Bite Me" <nos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> "mleuck" <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Jul 27, 12:20 pm, "Up Yours Jerk" <shaz...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > "G. Morgan" <usenet_ab...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > Up Yours Jerk wrote:
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> > >>> That's not true. It's common accepted practice for the buyer to lea=
ve
> > >>> feedback *first*.
>
> > >>You wish. That does NOT even make sense. They buyer has done their pa=
rt
> > >>when the pay quickly and meets terms of purchase. The seller has not
> > >>done
> > >>their part until they have delivered a product with no surprises that
> > >>meets
> > >>their claims.
>
> > > And if the product comes with no surprises and meets their claims the=
y
> > > should:
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> > > a) Leave feedback - to acknowledge the completion and outcome of the
> > > sale
> > > b) quit bitchin' because they don't understand 'why' the seller sent =
the
> > > request for feedback. It's not extortion at all.
>
> > Yeah whatever. Everybody sees things how they want to not how they are.
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> > It is if feedback is conditional. It makes a buyer afraid to leave hone=
st
> > negative feedback if its deserved.
>
> * Its not conditional, it's never been conditional and someone
> * isn't going to kill you if you post negative feedback
>
> I have been reading this thread for a while. =A0Sounds conditional to me.
> Extortion does not mean extortion on condition of murder. =A0For that mat=
ter
> the courts have pretty welll established a threat need not even be explic=
it
> for there to be a threat. =A0Coercion or extortion is not necessarily a c=
rime
> even. =A0That does not mean that positive feedback is not being extorted =
on
> condition of feedback being left with an implication that negative feedba=
ck
> might receive retaliatory negative feedback.
>
> For instance I can extort or coerce you towards a certain action or remed=
y
> of situation upon threat of legal action. =A0I can enforce that threat wi=
th a
> subpeona. =A0Its not even a matter of how a court would rule. =A0Its simp=
ley a
> threat of forcing you to deal with it. =A0Perfectly legal, but still
> extortion.
>
> In this case it seems I have read that EBAY has a specific TOS against
> feedback extortion. =A0I know I never leave feedback for people who
> specifically state such terms even if their product is A+. =A0I don't thi=
nk I
> would have started a thread about it, but if I have to be threatened into
> leaving feedback I'll just refuse and understand if they chose not to lea=
ve
> feedback for me either when I refuse to leave feedback for them. =A0OTH, =
those
> who quickly leave feedback and deliver what they promised in a speedy
> fashion always get a good positive from me.
>
> I have both bought and sold on ebay, and I would never make feedback a
> condition of feedback. =A0Feedback is a condition of quality of product a=
nd
> interaction.
>
> Bob La Londe

The simple answer is to just not leave feedback