Re: Panel grounding

[nick markowitz <nmarkowitz@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Dec 13, 6:33=A0pm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2:49=A0pm, "Kid" <k...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > "tourman" <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > On Dec 13, 10:25 am, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Dec 13, 9:47 am, "Kid" <k...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > "tourman" <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > >news:7e9334a2-056d-4dbe-bc6c-e4ec70a81829@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
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> > > > RHC: Yeah, I agree with you. I keep precise statistics on service
> > > > work. With over 1000 panels in service, I have had to replace a tot=
al
> > > > of 8 boards due to electrical surges damaging the panel in 15 years=
.
> > > > Had I installed the Elk grounding unit for everyone, that would hav=
e
> > > > been a cost of over $30,000 with limited payback. I prefer to spend
> > > > the extra money on upgraded keypads and upgraded pet motions for
> > > > everyone, and deal with dead panels as they happen (at $50 a pop pl=
us
> > > > cost of a service call). This with a severe lightning strike proble=
m
> > > > in parts of our city being a known fact as well...
>
> > > > BTW, two of those damaged panels were at one rural customer locatio=
n,
> > > > and both within a week of each other. I guess the telephone company
> > > > plant was poorly grounded. This was early on, and It took me twice =
to
> > > > learn....:((
>
> > > > I have a customer that had been hit twice before I put the elk unit=
 on.
> > > > his
> > > > house is on a granite outcrop and he apparently can.t get a very go=
od
> > > > ground. on the third hit the elk unit blew out knocking out the pho=
ne
> > > > line.
> > > > but the panel board was ok. all I had to do was replace the elk uni=
t.
> > > > not
> > > > much difference between the price of the elk unit and a new board,
> > > > though.
> > > > made me wonder if it was really worth it but it was easier to repla=
ce
> > > > the
> > > > elk unit than rewire a new board. if the panel was like the old moo=
se
> > > > where
> > > > you could just pop a board on without touching the wiring I might t=
hink
> > > > twice.
>
> > > Im dealing with commercial fire and high end combo fire/burg panels
> > > and the panels have to work its a life safety issue
> > > and we get plenty of lightning and high wind storms, brown outs ,
> > > poles hit etc here in Pa. so the protection is well worth it $25.00 t=
o
> > > save upwards of several thousand dollars.
>
> > > Have customers who had direct hits and there buildings were saved as
> > > well as vast majority of equipment was saved Vs other buildings hit
> > > around here that went up in flames go figure.
> > > It is just like the $100.00- 3 phase power protectors I install on
> > > machines etc which saves thousands of dollars in motor replacement.
>
> > RHC: I don't disagree with you Nick. It's just like everything else in
> > business....it's cost versus gain. Your life saving situations are
> > precisely where any and all protection is worth every penny. But for
> > "low end" residential systems, where every nickel spent is under
> > question by the customer, it might even "break" the sale !!!! It's not
> > cost effective in these situations to do so from any perspective when
> > so few systems are affected.....
>
> > plus there is no quarantee when it comes to lightening. =A0it can just =
as
> > easily blow out the protection and the panel.
>
> Another reason i do not do residential.
> no money in it.
> lets see do 20 residential systems to make what i do on high end
> integrated commercial real tough one there.

You think residential a tough sell now wait till they cost of
sprinklers and all breakers have to be arc fault style at $40.00 a pop
plus new energy insulation standards including a vacuum test all come
into effect in next 2 years they will not be building homes any more.