Re: Paradox Product Line Problems

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Aug 2, 6:19=A0pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 6:36=A0pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Aug 2, 1:09=A0pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 2, 1:49=A0pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > On Aug 2, 11:34=A0am, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > I just want to raise an issue that will come up if you use the Pa=
radox
> > > > > line of products. Bottom line, they are changing panel lines and
> > > > > keypads so often now that they have failed to keep enough stock o=
f the
> > > > > older equipment to allow us to provide a decent level of service =
on
> > > > > older equipment.
>
> > > > > For example, there are no 748 Express panels available for order.
> > > > > There are no Spectra 1738 high end LCD 1641 keypads available any=
where
> > > > > should one die (I have over 400 of these in service). There are n=
o
> > > > > Digiplex 848 keypads available, nor is the 738 Express panel avai=
lable
> > > > > any longer (I have 600 of these in service). If certain component=
s
> > > > > fail, it necessitates changing out the entire system rather than
> > > > > replacing a single component.
>
> > > > > I believe that a company has a responsibility to its customers (u=
s the
> > > > > dealers) to maintain an inventory of older stock equipment to all=
ow us
> > > > > to maintain services for our clients for a reasonable period of t=
ime
> > > > > (reasonable obviously being the salient point.....). Think how th=
is
> > > > > would affect things if automobile dealers did the same sort of
> > > > > thing.....:(((
>
> > > > > I have written the President of Paradox Systems formally with my
> > > > > concerns. I will keep the group posted on any responses I get. Th=
e
> > > > > world's a different place now with the internet; I hope they real=
ize
> > > > > that they can't just ignore problems which can affect their botto=
m
> > > > > line....
>
> > > > > DSC have done the same over the years but not to the same extent.=
 They
> > > > > have tried to evolve their panels such that keypads have some
> > > > > compatibility with newer boards, but clearly Paradox have not...
>
> > > > Maybe if they quit suing everybody they'd have time to make
> > > > product.....
>
> > > RHC: Dunno about sueing...that's news to me; however, their Business
> > > Development people don't seem to be doing their jobs. Seems no one
> > > talks to their customers (the alarm dealers) to find out what we want=
.
> > > They've come up recently with a" Stay D" funtionality that is totally
> > > ignored by installers in North America. It's designed such that zones
> > > are armed 24 hrs unless deactivated...seems to be something to do wit=
h
> > > a perceived need for alarms to work against "home invasion"....????
>
> > > Unless they start stocking replacement parts for at least a couple of
> > > years past the end of production of a product, I'm going to move over
> > > to DSC (and I've told them that). They have superb products but that
> > > doesn't do me a bit of good if I can't warranty them for a reasonable
> > > period of time.....
>
> > Look up the Paradox vs DSC lawsuit thrown out of court earlier this
> > year, I personally hope they go bankrupt because they pretty much
> > ruined any chance any company in the US will ever use them.
>
> RHC: Well, I may be talking out of turn here, but I think they
> probably see their worldwide market as being a much bigger potential
> than trying to break into a saturated US one. They sell a huge amount
> of product world wide versus the little they probably sell in the
> USA.

They sued not only DSC (understandable in a patent suit) but a large
number of US companies who installed the product including ADT, P1
etc.

They will sell even less now.