Re: Anyone using perimiter fence protection

["Robert L Bass" <Sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"JoeRaisin" <joeraisin2001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Robert L Bass wrote:
>> "JoeRaisin" wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, but it doesn't surprise me.  The thing is these people have a
>>>> legitimate gripe.  They have paid the bulk of US taxes for years while
>>>> the wealthy get loopholes and tax shelters.  Even though Barak Obama is
>>>> finally doing something good for them they've learned not to trust
>>>> *anyone* in government. Eight years of Bush is enough to do that even to
>>>> Pollyana.
>>>
>>> Actually the primary impetus of the T.E.A. Parties was how much money the
>>> federal government is spending.
>>
>> The resentment for government spending isn't a matter of principle.  It's a
>> pragmatic issue.  They don't want to pay taxes.  I don't blame them.  I
>> don't like paying taxes either.  OTOH, I don't want bridges to collapse
>> while I'm driving over them.
>>
>
> Paying taxes isn't so much the issue for me - though I would prefer a flat
> tax.
>
> What grinds my gears is seeing the money I'm paying get flushed down the
> toilet...

Me, too.  The idiot Bush spent almost everything on his stupid war, then gave
the rest away to his corporate sponsors.  Thank God, now that we have adult
supervision of the economy we can start to work our way out of the hole Bush
dug.

> Or teh money being pissed away on this stimulus plan...

How dare they try to create jobs for Americans.  The very nerve!

> Instead of "spending" a trillion dollars they didn't have, it would have
> made a much bigger and timely impact if they had just not collected it.

Not really.  We tried that for the past eight years and it ruined the economy.

>> ISTR you brought this up in response to my request for you to cite a lie.
>> You did say that he lies.  I didn't say that he doesn't; just asked for
>> proof.  So fat, none has been offered but I'm willing to listen if you can
>> cite a lie Olbermann has told.
>>
>
> Somebody's a bit confused.  You never asked me to cite any lie, our
> secretary of state is a woman and I don't believe I've ever talked about
> Olbermann.

Sorry.  To many threads.  Not enough brain cells left.

> Well, that's what our political system is supposed to be all about.  But
> this last election cycle we saw folks voting for candidates with absolutely
> no idea what the person stood for.

Yep, just like they did in 2000 and 2004.

>> He's more elligible than McCain.  If you want to get technical about it,
>> McCain was born in Panama during a time when children born there were not
>> automatically US citizens.  They were elligible for naturalization but
>> McCain never went through that either.  So technically, he's a Panamanian
>> citizen. Nevertheless, given his heroic military service to the United
>> States and his many years of service in Washington, most people (including
>> me) think he's American enough to serve.  But he lost the election, fair
>> and square, so that case is moot.
>>
>> The BS from a few right-wing jackasses about Obama is just that -- horse
>> crap. Obama was born on US soil and is therefor a US citizen.  Right now
>> he's our president.  That's "our" as in yours and mine.  The country is in
>> a major crisis and he's trying to bring about change that will help us
>> recover.  The Republican party is offering no alternate plan -- just more
>> of the same Bush garbage that got us into the mess we're in.  If Obama
>> fails, we all fail.
>
> Take a breath... You were the one who suggested he was from Kenya - I was
> just snarking off...

I was being facetious.  You didn't notice?

>>>> He isn't really unidentified.  When I first mentioned it I didn't
>>>> remember his name.  He's Richard Burr, a Republican senator from North
>>>> Carolina.  He has been repeatedly asked why the delay but refused to give
>>>> an answer.
>>>
>>> Not entirely true...
>>
>> Care to elaborate?
>>
>
> Didn't you read the article?
>
>>>> BTW, the wounded veteran whose appointment he delayed is Tammy Duckworth.
>>>> She lost both legs in a helicopter crash, fighting Bush's war.
>>>>
>>>>> If you want a concrete position from me you will probably have to
>>>>> provide more information.
>>>>
>>>> Hope the above helps.
>>>
>>> Okay, rather than some shady "no comment" as to why the appointment was
>>> held up, this is what I found out in less than five minutes.
>>>
>>> "Burr, the ranking Republican on the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee,
>>> held up Duckworth's nomination last week because he had questions about a
>>> confidential financial questionnaire that she had filled out...
>>
>> That's what he said, but he refused to say what those questions were.  He
>> finally gave in but has never indicated there was anything in the
>> questionaire that he actually objected to.

> Uhm... it was a "confidential" questionnaire so to reveal the details of
> what he had a problem with would have been a bit out of line.

He refused even to discuss it with others on the same panel, others who also
read the questionaire.

> Then again, if he had spelled out what he had a problem with he would have
> been crucified for revealing Ms. Duckworth's confidential information.

He wouldn't speak to other committe members about his so-called concerns.  I
think it's time to realize he just did it to spite Obama.

> I didn't know you cared so much what Senator McCain thought.

I like McCain very much.  He's a good man.  He's just not presidential
material (IMO).

>> I met a dog catcher several years ago who I would have gladly sent in as a
>> replacement for Cheney.  At least he knew the difference between a feral
>> dog and an innocent puppy.  Also, TTBOMK, he never shot a friend in the
>> face.
>
> Yep, there comes a time in a man's life when he should stop driving and
> handling weapons.

Cheney should never have been licensed to speak.  The man's a thug.

> Imagine how much fun he is gonna be when he's the mean old man in the
> neighborhood yelling at kids to get off his mine field - er - lawn...

Heh, heh, heh...  :^)

>> You're assuming he took anything seriously.  There has been a concerted
>> effort among Republican senators to stimy as many Obama appointments as
>> possible. This was just one more of the same.
>
> Sounds like payback from the right.  Same games the left played with Bush's
> appointees.  Like I said, two sides of the same coin.

So you agree that Burr was being spiteful -- not responsible.  I knew we would
find more common ground here.

> The  road to hell is paved with good intentions.  It just amazes me that a
> person sworn to uphold the Constitution of the Unites States would even
> propose such a thing.

Some folks believe that "gub control" will work.  If I thought it would, I'd b
all for it.  Sadly, it probably never will work in this country.  I'd just
like to see a requirement that guns be locked up when the owner isn't in
direct control of them.  That might save a few hundred children's lives each
year.  Other than that, gun control is just wishful thinking.

> A few more nuclear reactors would help to prevent such disasters without the
> nefarious potential.

We disagree about the nefarious part, but I agree we need more nuclear
reactors.  I also disagree with Obama's ideas about disarmament.  Other than
that, I think he's pretty great.  Today he earned more respect from me by
acceding to demands for proper investigation and prosecution of Bush officials
for torturing POW's.  Bravo!

> But we already own a house outside of Manila and the wife has all those
> relative thingies whose company she seems to enjoy.

Gotcha.  Well, I'm heading down to Brazil next month but only for a couple of
weeks.  Maybe later this year I'll go back for more time if finances permit.

>>> Because open acts like petition signing can be affected by bribery or
>>> coercion.
>>
>> But petition signing is already the first step in unionizing.  The act only
>> seeks to make it easier to go union.
>>
>>> Secret ballots are not.  Whatever the process for bringing a vote - the
>>> vote itself SHOULD be held and should be a secret ballot.
>>
>> It never has been yet.  I'm not saying it shouldn't be -- only that it
>> isn't and never was.  This act seeks to make things easier for workers.
>
> It eliminates the secret ballot.  Bad... very bad...

No, it does not.  The secret ballot is currently a second phase -- *after* an
open petition.  The proposed act says that in certain circumstances the open
petition (which is already required) is enough.  This would make it eqsier to
unionize.  The act specifically addresses workplaces where the company is
likely to interfere with the process -- IOW, places where a union is most
urgently needed.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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