Re: PR: Honeywell Video - Discotinued and Oversock Products

["Roland Moore" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

> Bass sells "tons" of commercial fire alarm.  Helps the >DIY design it too.
He's completely conversant in all the >codes.  And he's even taken legal
training.>
"Frank Olson"

If I were in Bass' shoes I wouldn't own up to selling any commercial fire
gear. I don't know what the regulations are like elsewhere, but you have to
have [CAD] drawings stamped and approved before you can even start pulling
wire for the job around here. I haven't heard Bass say anything about doing
drawing for submittals with his fire sales. It doesn't matter what
experience you have or haven't had. It is a matter of having the proper
licensing and credentials. I don't know any fire planner in the area that
would be willing to stamp a DIY job (for liability reasons obviously). I
have never heard of an AHJ accepting any DIY jobs anywhere. As far as
regulation go, I don't know how you get past the fact that every AHJ seems
to have their own take on what just the regulations mean. Generally you
don't try to "educate" the AHJ. The AHJ makes the rules and you follow them.
It seems like getting past that problem long distance would be nearly
impossible. Additionally you have to have an inspection schedule after the
original install. So as a practical matter you go to do an inspection and
find no paperwork and no sticker from the original installation and your
going to put your sticker on the panel and pass it? Sure, just drive
yourself downtown and turn yourself in afterwards.


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> Roland Moore wrote:
>
> > I never really thought about what Bass does in dollar volume sales.
>
>
> No one really cares either.  It's his bullshit we can't stand.
>
>
> > $1.5
> > million sounds like a lot of volume on one type of gear like burg, but
it's
> > not really so much with another type of gear like video.  I was
crunching
> > some numbers myself. For January this year we bought about $6K of just
GE
> > (small) burg/fire product and spent a lot of man hours installing it.
For
> > just Bosch video product it was about $40K and spent almost no time
compared
> > to the burg hours. I didn't look at any access control or fire numbers,
but
> > the delta for an access job versus alarm job is higher than regular
alarm
> > but less than video gear. (Except when it is time to purchase software
or
> > the annual SSA (software support agreement).
>
>
> Bass doesn't worry about things like that.  All you have to do is click
> on the appropriate link on his website and the DIY can download tons of
> pirated software.  Why do you think he keeps that page up for the DSC
> downloading software?  Simple...  All he has to do is change the name of
> the file, instruct the DIY to visit the specific page and "voila".
>
>
> > So it depends on what line he
> > is selling more of.
>
>
> I think he sells more "fishing line" than anything else.
>
>
>
>   If it is video gear and/or access gear or even fire gear
> > it would be far easier to hit $1.5 million than if it was just small
burg
> > stuff.
>
>
> Bass sells "tons" of commercial fire alarm.  Helps the DIY design it
> too.  He's completely conversant in all the codes.  And he's even taken
> legal training.
>
>
> > If you had that much volume with mostly burg gear and still had to do
> > that much hand holding (required for DIY installations) it would have to
be
> > bigger than a one man show.
>
>
> It's not rocket science.  Any "primate" can do it.
>
>
> > I think he mentioned he could talk someone
> > through programming in about 2 hours. I can't talk some customers into
using
> > their keypad properly in that amount of time, so he must be a great
> > instructor over the phone.
>
>
> Maybe you should give them Bass' number so you can go on to your next
> job.  Leave the "education" to a real pro!  :-)
>
>
> > A panel with more than 50 zones can take me up to
> > 2 hours to write the program for (with custom English zones), download
the
> > panel and have the tech on site check each zone.
>
>
> I'd leave the downloading to Rojas.  At least *he's* licensed (in
> Florida).  :-)
>
>
> > But on sales of just 4
> > small burg systems a day it I believe it would be nearly impossible to
hit
> > $1.5 million.
>
> Bingo!  There may be hope for you yet.
>
>
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